FrSky Tx (X12D)

[dvogonen]

Great news that there will be a top mounted display, but the lower display is pointless. A common upper display is all that is needed.
Without the lower display there would be plenty of room left for sliders and whatnot on the front of the transmitter.

A good thing is that the scroll wheel probably means that there will be no touch screen. There is nothing wrong with touch screens, but I do not think they belong on devices that you use without looking.

[jhsa]

I tell you what, put a big display on top and all the switches and pots at the bottom under and between the sticks.. no problems to reach them as you don't have to move your hand above the other hand to move them..
Actually saw a picture of a radio that was like that and I thought it was very good.. I think it was the new flysky radio but not sure..
I also like the design of this frsky Horus prototype.. very good..

João

[Flaps 30]

Worth taking a look at how Jeti does things. They have a thumb style (yes they really call it that) transmitter ----> DS 16 along with a real (tray) transmitter for champions ----> DC 16 Lots of stick end options for the DC16 --> http://www.jetimodel.com/en/katalog/Tra ... cessories/

To me it makes a lot of sense if Frsky made this TX as a tray format, leaving the Taranis for the 'thumbies' who know no better. Obviously Frsky would need to offer stick end options, along with an elegant tray for the TX.

[Kilrah]

The switches on the "shoulder" part will be pretty much unreachable. Same for the side pots/"sliders", they would need a lever that sticks up so it's accessible from the top. Sticks need to be longer too.

Having used some, the new Graupner mc-20 HoTT is pretty ideal as a tray radio in terms of control ergonomy, being able to easily reach everthing:



I'd love 2 rotary pots where the Graupner/SJ branding is applied though.

Of course the rest (software and those awful touch-sensitive foils) completely ruin the good start, but meh...

[jhsa]

To me it makes a lot of sense if Frsky made this TX as a tray format, leaving the Taranis for the 'thumbies' who know no better. Obviously Frsky would need to offer stick end options, along with an elegant tray for the TX.

Please no tray radio for Horus.. Taranis is lacking some cool options like 2 displays and the rotary encoder, Hence me and others decided to wait for the Horus.. and it looks cool.. it doesn't have to be a tray to be flown as tray.. Just buy or build a tray for it like you do for all the other radios.
If frsky makes it a tray radio will be aiming to the minority because you can't transform a tray radio into a non tray radio, but you can buy/make a tray and buy sticks extensions for a non tray radio..

João

[Flaps 30]

I'm thinking why would you need two displays. How about a VGA or HDMI output to drive a large display if you so wish?

Rotary encoder... Hmm.. There has to be a better way to do things. That is so yesterday.

Tray transmitters have been around for a long while. The old style 'thumby' transmitters are a throwback to the early to mid sixties when switch transmitters and simplistic four channel proportional radio came about. Now we have a lot more channels and a lot more switches around, that is more suited to the tray style.

Regardless of all of that. It would be a deal maker for a lot of people to be able to fit/buy stick end switches and pots. It would certainly make flying a full house glider a lot better, and more in tune with the top end radios.

I see that the MC 20 can be fitted with a stick end switch. Pretty cheap at £70 odd ----> http://www.acemodel.co.uk/momentary-sti ... tions.html

[jhsa]

Yes the encoder make things easier for some of us, 2 displays are good because you can have the telemetry displayed on the top display and model info, etc, displayed on the bottom one.
As I said before non tray tx's can be made into a tray tx. The opposite is not possible.. Sorry but many of us don't share your opinion about iron boards being the best to fly model aircraft many champions fly with the thumbs. many people fly with the thumbs and is not to ask too much that we are respected..
If you think that Jeti is the best and it is better and it should be a model to follow, then by all means you are free to buy one Or a Graupner, they are famous for their tray transmitters. Funny that with so many tray users on this world Graupner was bankrupt and very close to be no more.. If I'm not mistaken, and please someone correct me if I am, Graupner was bought by JR recently who has a big tradition with tray radios (sarcastic)
It's curious that the first hott radio that they produced and it was supposed to save the company was a radio for thumb flyers

João

[LTMNO]

I JUST LOVE IT. Please don't change the looks of that radio. fantastic. it will worth the wait. Thank you for sharing the pics Eva.

I second that notion.. looks fantastic.....
if you can add a 6 position rotary switch to it, then we are golden!

[Helle]

hy,

importend for me are two stick switches!!
one large display at top
one or two rotary encoder

Helle

[jhsa]

then you can wait for the 3rd frsky radio. According to the prototype picture we all saw sometime ago it will have a big display on top.

[dvogonen]

... , 2 displays are good because you can have the telemetry displayed on the top display and model info, etc, displayed on the bottom one....

The logic in that statement is lost on me. It must surely be easier to read both telemetry and model data on a large combined display on top than on two smaller displays that are in separate places. I am assuming that such a combined display would have a higher resolution than the separate displays.

[jhsa]

I think I still prefer the 2 displays.. anyway as I said before and according to what we've seen a few months ago, the 3rd radio will be like that..
I really like the design of the horus prototype as it is.. I wouldn't change much, or probably anything.. if it was out tomorrow I would buy it..

[kaos]

any possibility the top LCD is a high resolution LCD (taller too) which can be used for fPV?
the right lower large 'button' is a wheel?
Color screen too?
Any way, glad skipped the Taranis. Must be something like this to 'upgrade' from Sky9x.

[jhsa]

Not color screen as far as I know, and I hope not..
Yes there is a rotary encoder wheel with push button on the right side..

[Flaps 30]

I am trying to think how anyone can do co-ordinated thermal turns whilst trying to core a thermal, or fly a gas turbine model through an aerobatic routine while looking at a screen on the TX. If you must have graphical data, then it has to be via a video port on the TX to a head up display built into a helmet that you wear. To me the screen(s) are there only for adjustments before or after a flight, or for the armchair flyers that don't get out enough.

Another leaf that can be taken out of the Jeti (thumb driven) TX is the inclusion of a built-in tri-axis accelerometer with gyroscope. This might help you learn a new style of flying where you can forget using the sticks and gain a better precision of flying without the need to resort to the proper way of doing things.

Nice to see someone else that would like to see stick end switches.

[Rob Thomson]

I would like to see two trainer port inputs.

1. With a regular cable/socket at the back.
2. A built in RX so that other frsky radios can 'bind' to the tx.

[jhsa]

Rob, I'm with you on that one..
As for the displays, for example, one could be editing the model on the main lower display, and watch the output bars on the top display at the same time.. that would be a cool feature as we don't have to exit the menus to see the output..

João

[Artanis]

Color screen for remote is horrible idea - it will have awful readibility in direct sunlight, unnecessary visual distractions, and also large negative impact on battery life of transmitter. And, let's be real - how awkward it would be to actually try to fly FPV using screen mounted in the very remote itself?...

[G550Ted]

It would be impossible for me to ever fly with an Horus. That damn thing is so ugly I would have to wear a bag over my head and wouldn't be able to see either screen, switches, pots, sliders, whatever. Maybe that's why Flaps wants switches/buttons on the sticks.

Ted

[jhsa]

Good that you got the taranis then, right??

[G550Ted]

Yup, and it's fantastic! I got my first flights with it two days ago in some of the worst wind and turbulence conditions I have flown in. A real struggle for control at times but I could tell that I was getting better response from the Taranis than any other radio I have owned. This morning was calm and smooth and I enjoyed a couple of hours appreciating a control feel and response that I've never experienced before. I don't know about latency but I'm now a believer in resolution. It's also my first experience with telemetry and voice and I'll never go back!

Ted

[jhsa]

You never had a 9x with voice? shame on you..

If the taranis is that good I can imagine Horus If frsky goes with the prototype design, it's beautiful, It's funtastic, even Horugasmic..

[G550Ted]

"Horugasmic" !? I think I'm outta here!

Ted

[jhsa]

[kaos]

And, let's be real - how awkward it would be to actually try to fly FPV using screen mounted in the very remote itself?...

It is real. you don't need to carry a monitor/goggle. I have a 4.3" monitor currently mounted (removable) on the Tx handle with a Frysky LCD mounting arm or use a goggle.
you are right about the direct sun light, so it needs a folding shade and high contrast like this:
http://www.banggood.com/Wholesale-Hubsa ... 66457.html
http://www.banggood.com/Wholesale-Hubsa ... 68571.html

Walkera Devo F7 also has that similar to Hubsan's idea but it is on the bottom instead of top.

[hageha]

o.k.
If we have an I-phone, we need no wife and no friends.
If we have a Horus we need no more I-Phone.
We have everything we need to play!
What were once again those things with Propreller or something?

[rcsoar]

Looks great! A couple of suggestions. OpenTx is crying out a couple of linear sliders on the front facia (side rotary levers don't count!). The MPX 4000 has these and they are much better than pots because you can feel the position (with pots, you can only guess). Applications: adjusting diff and snapflap on sailplanes, especially useful when trimming out a new model.

Second, apart from the dual screens, it looks much like a Jeti DS-16 which suggests that it's optimised for thumbs-on-top flyers. Having held a DS-16, it seems a perfect form factor for this. Please don't compromise the design for tray flyers, instead make a second case specifically for tray flyers like Jeti have done with the DC-16.

Mike
http://rc-soar.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Taranis

[velocity90]

+1 for neck strap loop

I hope the x16d will also have it. Than its a sure buy.

[Flaps 30]

+1 for neck strap loop

Not needed or wanted if you have a tray format transmitter. It's a waste of valuable real estate and it is invariably in the wrong place to balance the TX if you do fit one, as can be seen in the vast majority of the 'toy' transmitters. The Jeti DC 16 layout makes use of the space that would be taken up by the loop, and I so love the position of the trim buttons.

Some small tray fitting would be best IMO that is designed for the TX. You have to bear in mind that many of us fly aircraft that stay up for an hour or more, so comfort is needed, along with no strain on our wrists or necks.

I wonder if we will see something happen regarding the gimbal assemblies. I would love to have ones that could be rotated slighty, to suit your natural hand movement instead of straight up and down, left and right? Don't forget the stick end options of a push button, two or three position switch or rotary pot..

[jhsa]

The great majority are thumb flyers..
I use a thumb flyer tray.. Will have to build one for horus as the one I have only fits the 9x..
Go launch a DLG with a tray radio.. Oh, of course, I forgot. DLGs are toy planes Expensive ones