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Re: It's not "IF". The question is "WHEN and WHERE"

Post by jhsa » Fri Jan 23, 2015 10:13 pm

ReSt wrote:
Philipp wrote:I'm definitely with you regarding the insurance, everybody screws up someday or has a mishap, you have to be covered in this case
It's already actual law in Germany (since, I'm not sure, around 2008 or so) that you MUST have an insurance. Since that time, personal insurances are no longer allowed to cover the risk of flying models what was possible up to that time.
And you have to have this insurance for every little model, even the 10g ones, that you want to fly outside.

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Re: It's not "IF". The question is "WHEN and WHERE"

Post by Philipp » Mon Feb 09, 2015 4:35 pm

Something for a laugh: http://www.photographybay.com/2015/02/0 ... ne-safety/

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I'm amused and embarrassed at the same time. He talks about the gimbal but does not use it to turn the camera. Instead he turns the whole quad around without realizing he has to fly 'inverted' (you know what i mean) from now on. Why do you film a live news segment about drone safety in an environment where a drone clearly does not belong, with an operator who is not capable of controlling it properly.

DJI's response to this speaks for itself:
DJI is continually working to improve new pilot education and raise awareness of safe flying practices, which is why we have a checklist in the Vision app specifically discouraging new pilots from flying close to people and in areas with dense radio frequencies.

Without knowing the specifics of this demo, I can say that we do not recommend inexperienced pilots to fly indoors without GPS stabilization. Additionally flying nose forward (which changes orientation) and in an environment with significant radio frequency interference without netting is a challenge that we would discourage first time pilots from attempting.
At least nobody did get hurt and he was flying only a Phantom, not an Inspire or something more serious.

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Re: It's not "IF". The question is "WHEN and WHERE"

Post by jhsa » Mon Feb 09, 2015 5:04 pm

I don't know if nobody got hurt.. One of the guys was grabbing his arm. That might have hurt.. No models should be flown near people or property.. That is why the basic safety rules exist.. Models can kill and don't even have to have a propeller on them...Remember a couple years ago, a person was killed by a glider here in Germany? If he wanted to fly that thing in there he should have had a protection net around him and the copter.

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Re: It's not "IF". The question is "WHEN and WHERE"

Post by Philipp » Mon Feb 09, 2015 5:13 pm

Physics don't care if something is dubbed a toy or considered harmless, basic principles of momentum and velocity do still apply and might as well result in lethal injuries. Make something heavy enough and give it a certain speed, or the other way around, the result is always kinetic energy. Therefore a glider can be as deadly as an 700 class heli.

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Re: It's not "IF". The question is "WHEN and WHERE"

Post by jhsa » Mon Feb 09, 2015 5:20 pm

how heavy and how big is a bullet?? ;) :) And how much damage can it do? :)

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Re: It's not "IF". The question is "WHEN and WHERE"

Post by KAL » Mon Feb 09, 2015 5:30 pm

No matter if it's a bullet or a prop/rotor: E = 0,5 * m * v²

In both cases there are high velocities involved...

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Re: It's not "IF". The question is "WHEN and WHERE"

Post by jhsa » Mon Feb 09, 2015 6:06 pm

exactly, that is why we can't fly models (don't like the word drone) near people. even at the field we have to be careful at all times.. And it is good to talk about this. I try to start a safety conversation sometimes when at the field.. some don't like it, but at the end of the day some of it might stay inside our heads

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Re: It's not "IF". The question is "WHEN and WHERE"

Post by jhsa » Fri May 29, 2015 11:57 pm

One more.. Someone has to stop this people..
C'mon, at 2700ft on La Guardia final approach?? This is insane :o :o

http://sputniknews.com/us/20150529/1022731943.html

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Re: It's not "IF". The question is "WHEN and WHERE"

Post by Rob Thomson » Sat May 30, 2015 7:35 pm

Unfortunately there will always be idiots doing stupid things.

Certainly regulations will be required.

But unfortunately that will still not stop the idiot. They will blindly continue and cause a problem.

Hell. Gun laws don't stop idiots using them and killing people.

All regulations do is mitigate the risk, and make life harder for honest flyers!
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Re: It's not "IF". The question is "WHEN and WHERE"

Post by jhsa » Sat May 30, 2015 7:59 pm

Well, it will stop them if they have to spend 10 or 15 years in jail if caught flying in places like that..

And maybe for a while it would be better to allow model flying only in proper places, and an insurance should be needed.
ALL (yes all) pilots of Drones with cameras would need a pilots license so they know what they can do and where they can fly. Also a radio to be in communication with the ATC (air traffic control) if flying in controlled airspace.
If people want to fly where THE REAL pilots fly they must have the same level of knowledge, OTHERWISE PEOPLE WILL DIE ONE DAY..

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Re: It's not "IF". The question is "WHEN and WHERE"

Post by SR71 » Sat May 30, 2015 9:18 pm

jhsa wrote:Well, it will stop them if they have to spend 10 or 15 years in jail if caught flying in places like that..
This applies even to bank robbery... did that stopped ?

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Re: It's not "IF". The question is "WHEN and WHERE"

Post by jhsa » Sat May 30, 2015 9:54 pm

No, but if you get away with a bank robbery you get rich :D

Now , is it really worth risking a long time in jail for flying a stupid model in a place where you can kill innocent people??

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Re: It's not "IF". The question is "WHEN and WHERE"

Post by SR71 » Sat May 30, 2015 10:57 pm

jhsa wrote:No, but if you get away with a bank robbery you get rich :D

Now , is it really worth risking a long time in jail for flying a stupid model in a place where you can kill innocent people??
Nowadays the wealth is not measured anymore only with money, a ticking youtube counter is considered more important.
I know, for you and me this is crazy, but not for FPV long range bad guys.

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Re: It's not "IF". The question is "WHEN and WHERE"

Post by jhsa » Sat May 30, 2015 11:05 pm

I believe that at least some of them have no idea of the danger.
And also believe that most of them don't have the knowledge that is needed to fly an aircraft, or they wouldn't be flying in places where they put people's lives in danger.

One thing is for sure, something has to be done about it NOW or people could die.
What I'm afraid is that the R/C community in general will also suffer the consequences because of some stupid people..
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