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Post by bob195558 » Sat Dec 12, 2015 12:58 am

Thanks João !
The AltAlarm was set to 122 and I set it to OFF and now it stays off.
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Re: 9Xtreme Add 2nd Internal XJT Mod

Post by jhsa » Sat Dec 12, 2015 1:06 am

Wow, that was a good guess :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
That alarm should be linked to a voice.
You know what, that alarm is not even necessary there. The same as the GpsAltMain..
Voice alarms can be set in the dedicated voice Alarms menu, and with some additional parameters.. These alarms are just using screen space in the telemetry menu. There are no need whatsoever for alarms in the telemetry menu, except perhaps for the RSSI and TSSI alarms and the DSM fades, as we could forget them and they are really important..

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Re: 9Xtreme Add 2nd Internal XJT Mod

Post by bob195558 » Sat Dec 12, 2015 1:51 am

Hi,
I am thinking that when the internal module is ON, it is programmed to be the only source for the telemetry, which is causing the problem.
I am thinking that there may not be any telemetry signal collide when both modules are powered ON.
There is no S.Port connection to both module at all. ;)
There is only Com1 Rxd and Txd telemetry wires to the External XJT set as a DJT module and to its external Rxd and Txd pins.
If that being, Why dose the internal module when ON, take over all the telemetry data that is not there ? :?: :)

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Post by bob195558 » Sat Dec 12, 2015 2:24 am

We only need telemetry to one of the modules at a time.
Maybe we could have in Protocol, an option to set Telemetry to: External or Internal.
Maybe something like this could fix the problem. :D

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Re: 9Xtreme Add 2nd Internal XJT Mod

Post by jhsa » Sat Dec 12, 2015 2:40 am

But if your internal module telemetry wires are not connected to the radio, then the module is not sending telemetry at all. How does it interfere? I don't think it is possible? Unless one module gets interference from The other because they are too close?

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Re: 9Xtreme Add 2nd Internal XJT Mod

Post by bob195558 » Sat Dec 12, 2015 8:55 am

Hi João,
No telemetry data is working when both modules are set to ON and Com1 telemetry (Txd/Rxd) cable is only connected to the external DJT module (TSSI).
It only is showing with both ON the SWR, it should be TSSI.

When Mike and I were working through getting this problem working on my Taranis,
we had a very similar (I think same) problem, in that when having the Taranis internal XJT module turned ON in Protocol,
the telemetry defaulted from the internal XJT module to the Taranis radio so that no telemetry works from the external module.

Here is where it gets more complicated, the ERSKY9X on Taranis firmware (viewtopic.php?f=7&t=4582&start=360#p99734) permitted me
to set the internal XJT module to PPM/D8 protocol which changes the internal XJT into a DJT module,
but because the DJT modules can not be firmware Bind, I was stopped from using the Taranis internal XJT module as a DJT module.
Also note, that the Taranis internal XJT module is hardwired Com1 telemetry RX signal to its (If you will) Pin 5 of the Taranis internal XJT module
and I speculate I would have been stopped again in that the Com1 telemetry Txd signal is not connected to the Taranis internal XJT module.
Also because it could be a problem to have both internal and external modules ON (set at PXX) at the same time with both connected to there S.Port (PIN 5) telemetry signal at the same time this could (would) collide if both are powered ON at the same time.

To make this work, the Taranis is ready to send telemetry signals through the Taranis Com2 port using an external cable to the external XJT or DJT modules.
This I think, takes care of the S.Port problem too.

So when selecting Com2 in the ERSKY9X on Taranis firmware, Telemetry menu, we are able to use the external FrSky modules as primary Telemetry, which I believe Mike is turning OFF the primary Telemetry to the Taranis internal XJT module so that the Taranis radio only uses telemetry from the external FrSky modules.

So my thinking was with the 9Xtreme, because I am using Com1 telemetry cable through the back-case, Com1 telemetry only to the external DJT module, that 9Xtreme would use the telemetry from the external DJT module which gives the TSSI signal.
But it dose not !
I know this because the internal XJT module is set to (and has to be set to) PXX protocol which gives the SWR telemetry signal.

So I speculate the 9Xtreme firmware when the internal XJT module is set to ON, it is then only looking for telemetry data from the internal XJT module and has no care that Com1 telemetry cable is connected to it or not, and even if there was an Internal module connected too.

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Re: 9Xtreme Add 2nd Internal XJT Mod

Post by MikeB » Sat Dec 12, 2015 9:59 am

Please try changing the internal protocol to PPM as a test. The XJT should still operate, without being able to do things like BIND and RANGE check, but this will switch to using hub protocol telemetry at 9600 baud.

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Post by bob195558 » Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:54 am

Hi Mike,
I reconnected the internal XJT module and in Protocol set it to ON.
It defaults to PPM and the results are the same as if the internal XJT module is set to OFF.
There no Bind to the secondary CH9 and CH10 receiver.
I have Telemetry data (D-series) working with external DJT module TSSI data signal (Labeled TX on the telemetry screen).
Test also by placing hand over antenna's shows only the external DJT module TSSI data signal is changing.

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Post by bob195558 » Sat Dec 12, 2015 11:00 am

I could open up 9x and manually Bind PPM to Second Receiver (to test) if you think it may be a help too.

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Post by bob195558 » Sat Dec 12, 2015 1:48 pm

Hi Mike,
I checked the 2.4 GHz hopping frequency signal strength of the internal XJT module when set to PPM and it has a strong signal.
4_XJT internal module PPM Test_d.jpg
Both XJT modules set to PPM/D8 and set to ON .
3_XJT external internal module PPM Test_c.jpg
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Re: 9Xtreme Add 2nd Internal XJT Mod

Post by bob195558 » Sat Dec 12, 2015 2:07 pm

Hi Mike,
Just in case you may need to know the erSky9X on Taranis firmware Test Version that I still have on my Taranis:
VERS: V.1400-Mike
Date: 30.07.2015
SVN: erx9d-r218
MOD: X9D

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Post by MikeB » Sat Dec 12, 2015 2:41 pm

I'm investigating this. Normally I try to automatically set the telemetry protocol up, but I think I'm going to need to add some override options. I'm currently just checking what does get set.

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Post by MikeB » Sat Dec 12, 2015 11:32 pm

I posted a new test version a bit earlier. Mainly it is to do with trying to fix a bluetooth problem, but it does include a possible fix for your problem. At the top of the telemetry menu is an option "UsrProto". You should find an extra option at the end now of "FrHub".
If you select this, it is supposed to force the telemetry to process hub data at 9600 baud on your chosen "FrSky COM Port".

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Post by jhsa » Sat Dec 12, 2015 11:41 pm

Mike at the very top of the menu there is a line with numbers and letters that I suppose shouldn't be there?? ;)

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Post by MikeB » Sun Dec 13, 2015 12:44 am

Ahhh! I left some debug in.
There will very likely be a new test version tomorrow, so I'll have removed that by then!

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Post by bob195558 » Sun Dec 13, 2015 1:57 am

Hi Mike and João,
UsrProto_FrHub_a.jpg
Flashed 9Xtreme with new test firmware and made the proper setting changes to (UsrProto: FrHub),
with both Module Transmitters turned ON and there was still no telemetry working. :(
Until I rebooted my 9Xtreme radio and then!, it is now working properly ! :!: :D

Thank you very much Mike ! :!: :D

Telemetry data is now working from the External XJT set as a DJT module (PPM / D8)
with the internal XJT module settings at PXX / D8 and with both modules turned ON at the same time.

Note: After making the setting changes, nothing happens until the 9Xtreme radio is rebooted.
Also I see what João reporting that, at the top of the menu there is a line with numbers and letters that make no sense.

Very Happy :D thank you! :!:

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Post by bob195558 » Thu Jan 28, 2016 1:03 pm

Hi,
Here are some more post about setting and connecting telemetry wires when two FrSky modules are installed in your 9x Radio.
(viewtopic.php?f=126&t=7718&start=330#p106076)[b]-[/b](viewtopic.php?f=126&t=7771#p103478)
-(viewtopic.php?f=126&t=7718&start=330#p106085)[b]-[/b](viewtopic.php?f=126&t=7718&start=330#p106094)[b]:[/b]
bob195558 wrote: I did try both protocols PPM and PXX to a D-series receiver and moved the external Black TX wire between the Txd pin and S.Port pin.
The results was, when the protocol was not correct the telemetry signal (data) was lost.
I did not try it with the X8R receiver with S.Port sensors and I did not connect to both Txd and S.Port pins together at the same time.
Though it did seem to work with what I tried, but that why I am asking about it, I am not clear to how and what it works.
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-(viewtopic.php?f=126&t=7718&start=330#p106096)[b]-[/b](viewtopic.php?f=126&t=7771&start=30#p105905)
-(viewtopic.php?f=126&t=7771#p103368)[b]-[/b](viewtopic.php?f=126&t=8226&start=30#p107406)
-(viewtopic.php?f=126&t=8226#p106884)[b]-[/b](viewtopic.php?f=126&t=7987)[b]-[/b](viewtopic.php?f=126&t=7792)
-(viewtopic.php?f=126&t=7692&start=30#p103083)[b]-[/b](viewtopic.php?f=126&t=7692&start=60#p103392).

ERSKY9X on Taranis using both internal and external modules so to be able to use two D-series receivers for 16 channels:
(viewtopic.php?f=7&t=4582&p=99741&hilit= ... les#p99745)
-(viewtopic.php?f=7&t=4582&p=99741&hilit= ... les#p99761)
-(viewtopic.php?f=7&t=4582&p=99741&hilit= ... les#p99116)
-(viewtopic.php?f=7&t=4582&hilit=erSky9X+ ... 330#p97579).
Also Taranis Com2 Telemetry Cable: (viewtopic.php?f=96&t=4393&start=60#p79427).

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Post by silversurfer48 » Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:49 am

i too get beeping sound but its coming from the actul beeper from the modul and also i dont get PXX I only have XJT PPM FRsky ad multi xfire can anyone tell me why

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Post by MikeB » Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:51 am

I renamed PXX to XJT as I thought it made more sense!
Use XJT as the protocol. Look at the telemetry value for SWR, what is it?
It should be below 35.

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Post by silversurfer48 » Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:11 pm

ok thank you where do i find the telemetry at in the radio and how is it connected to the 9x or is it going to be used by the DJT my internal is the XJT the forums are alittle confusing please forgive me for been so green on the 9x and its controls

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Post by jhsa » Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:26 pm

Do you have a 9x radio with a XJT mounted internally?? :o :o Are you sure?

The XJT is an EXTERNAL module..

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Post by bob195558 » Fri Apr 28, 2017 11:43 am

silversurfer48 wrote:
Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:49 am
I too get beeping sound but its coming from the actual beeper from the module
and also I don't get PXX I only have XJT PPM FrSky ad multi xfire can anyone tell me why
Were you able to correct the module beeping ? :?:
silversurfer48 wrote:
Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:49 am
ok thank you
where do I find the telemetry at in the radio
and how is it connected to the 9x
or is it going to be used by the DJT
my internal is the XJT
the forums are a little confusing please forgive me for been so green on the 9x and its controls.
Did you purchase this (viewtopic.php?f=42&t=9491&p=126599#p121975) 9Xtreme radio ? :?:
We need to know what you are working with and take thing one step at a time.
What I have done is take a 9X radio that has been upgraded to a 9Xtreme radio and I added what is normally an external XJT module, internally.
João known how the FrSky DHT internal module is installed and connected.

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Post by silversurfer48 » Sat Apr 29, 2017 4:38 am

XJT is internal and one other thing i just notice that my speaker is diconected you think the XJT would be beeping if the speaker was not connected i only have on hand a 5watt 25 impedance speaker and i dont think it would be the right move to connect it to the radio i place order for the origenal off ebay but will not be here until thursday next week do you think this can be causing it to beep i check the antenna connection and Im getting good signel from it the multimeter is showing 3 amp or watts not to up on electrical terminalogy but i can use the tool so what do you think

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Re: 9Xtreme Add 2nd Internal XJT Mod

Post by jhsa » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:59 am

Never power your XJT module without antenna, and never use a multimeter on the antenna output. Those are two things that can destroy your module.
The lack of speaker has nothing to do with the module beeping..

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Post by silversurfer48 » Sat Apr 29, 2017 9:44 am

OK so then what could be the trouble ? I did all that was given for instruction on the forum. dont understand what is causing the beeping. Like I mentioned I check the connection to the antenna and its not no broken connection and didnt need to power modul I used multi meter. I update with the tested ersky9xt 220a I installed the 9m Gimbles and that all came out good with Andrews instructions . except the ele needed to swap directions in the radio. It was working fine up until I did the internal XJT mod then the beeping on the internal XJT started it would be nice to get it to work properly :D what do you think its time to jump ship and buy a Taranis :?

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Re: 9Xtreme Add 2nd Internal XJT Mod

Post by jhsa » Sat Apr 29, 2017 11:49 am

You can still damage the module if you measure the antenna output with a multimeter even with it powered OFF.. It wouldn't be the first.. :)

Another person is having a similar problem, so Mike posted on another thread (I think) instructions to connect the XJT module to eepskye using an RS232 USB to serial adapter. This will let us know if the module has some internal alarm set..

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Re: 9Xtreme Add 2nd Internal XJT Mod

Post by jhsa » Sat Apr 29, 2017 11:59 am

I have just noticed that you said you have the 9x radio with an XJT module installed inside. You didn't give more details, and we need them so we can help you better. Remember we can't see your radio :)
So, please post a link to the tutorial you followed to install the XJT module internally. We need to know how exactly the module is connected to the radio, and what was done to install it..

Also, do you have a 9x radio with the original motherboard, or with one of the replacement boards?
You said that the speaker is disconnected, well the original 9x radio does not have one unless you have a voice module installed. Originally it has a beeper that is mounted on the power switch board..

So please clarify this before we can proceed to really find what's going on.. :)

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Post by bob195558 » Sat Apr 29, 2017 1:08 pm

Hi silversurfer48,
I am sorry, but I am having trouble understanding where (what) you need help with.

Because of your many (I think) different questions which you are asking for help with
and I am not sure what hardware you are working with.

Here is my attempt to understand what you have and where you need help with.
Correct me if I get something wrong.

1) You have a 9Xtreme upgraded Radio with a test erSky9x firmware version: ersky9xt 220a.

2) You have been doing upgrade modifications to this 9Xtreme Radio.

3) You have upgraded to the new M9 Gimbals, But still have a problem with Elevator Stick Direction.
You want to follow this (viewtopic.php?f=95&t=10134) about calibrating M9 Gimbals (centering problem)
and correcting Stick directions.

4) OK, now to your problem of after installing a XJT Module Internally and now it is beeping all the time when it is on.

a) The Beeping may be caused from having improper radio setting.
It is difficult for me to help without seeing your radio settings.

b) There is another beeper on the Switch Board, you may want to look at this mod here: (viewtopic.php?f=126&t=7745) which will show you where it is (But may not be where you beeping is coming from).
Also for more info about other mods for your 9Xtreme radio see here: (viewtopic.php?f=95&t=7182).

5) OK, What is your reason to install your XJT Module internally ? :?:
I ask, because it is not necessary to do this internal mod, if you only need to use your XJT module externally
(which gives all the options with you XJT externally).
I did this mod because I needed to use two FrSky D8R-II Plus - 8 Channel Receivers at the same time,
which gave me 16 channels, so I needed two transmitter modules, one for each D8R receiver.
If you are using the X-Series receivers with your XJT module, you would then not need to do this mod.

For Module, Antenna and RF-Signal see here: [Test Equipment reviews and sources] (viewtopic.php?f=62&t=1051#p101702).

(If you are not able to provide more info to how and what you are working with, we can not help you, so pictures and information).
I hope this helps.

Bob B.
Er9x on 9x radio, with Smartieparts Programmer and TelemetrEZ Board.
ErSky9x on Taranis, Sky9x, 9Xtreme radios.

3D Printing upgrades with (CR10 3D Printer): (http://openrcforums.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=85).

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Re: 9Xtreme Add 2nd Internal XJT Mod

Post by Jyester » Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:41 pm

Why not just wire both modules inside the tx itself? I sure room can be made! I wired a Dx6i module into my 9xr with a switch inside the battery Bay to turn on/off. I plug DJT module into Bay and it works fine. Now if I remove or add XJT module into 9xr wired the same way the spek mod is wouldn't this also work? I have flown with both modules on ! I didn't realize it but didn't feel any effects of having both modules operating at the same time. Could I wire a plane and use two different Rx's? One half being Spektrum the other being frsky?

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Re: 9Xtreme Add 2nd Internal XJT Mod

Post by bob195558 » Sun Apr 30, 2017 9:26 pm

Hi Jyester,
Jyester wrote:
Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:41 pm
Why not just wire both modules inside the tx itself ?
I sure room can be made!
I wired a Dx6i module into my 9xr with a switch inside the battery Bay to turn on/off.
I plug DJT module into Bay and it works fine.
Now if I remove or add XJT module into 9xr wired the same way the spek mod
is wouldn't this also work ?
Not sure, I have never had a 9XR radio.
Jyester wrote:
Sun Apr 30, 2017 1:41 pm
I have flown with both modules on !
I didn't realize it but didn't feel any effects of having both modules operating at the same time.
Could I wire a plane and use two different Rx's ?
One half being Spektrum the other being frsky ?
I think the 9XR is not able to do two transmitter module at the same time.
But we are talking about a different Radio, not the old 9XR radio.
We are discussing doing mods to the 9Xtreme Radio.
I wish you very good luck.

Bob B.
Er9x on 9x radio, with Smartieparts Programmer and TelemetrEZ Board.
ErSky9x on Taranis, Sky9x, 9Xtreme radios.

3D Printing upgrades with (CR10 3D Printer): (http://openrcforums.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=85).


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