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Reverse Current Protection Mod for 9xtreme

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 12:08 am
by bob195558
9xtreme Reverse Current Protection Mod
Hi,
Before the 9Xtreme Upgrade Board for the 9x radios arrives,
I will do the Reverse Current Protection Mod on the 9x Main Switch Board.
9x Switch Board_a.jpg
Cut Track and add SS34 Vishay DIODE SCHOTTKY 40V 3A SMC (http://www.ebay.com/itm/20PCS-SS34-Vish ... 2a5236986c)
9x Switch Board_f.jpg
MikeB wrote:The 9Xtreme has a processor controlled power switch for the Tx modules, so on the 9Xtreme, they will be protected by the single diode.
If doing this mod, I would suggest removing the 5V regulator on the switch board at the same time, it isn't needed anymore.
Mike.
(viewtopic.php?f=95&t=7182&start=270#p101974)
Mike, What do you suggest, that I should do to (disconnect CJ78L05) removing the 5V regulator on the Switch Board ?
9x Switch Board_c.jpg
If you have SHUTTING DOWN screen message see: (viewtopic.php?f=126&t=7828&p=103935#p103847).
See here for other 9Xtreme information: (viewtopic.php?f=95&t=7182).

Bob B.

Re: Reverse Current Protection Mod for 9xtreme

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 8:50 am
by MikeB
That's what I did. Since I was modifying the backboard I chose to remove the transistor and the buzzer as well!

Mike.

Re: Reverse Current Protection Mod for 9xtreme

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:39 am
by bob195558
Hi Mike,
Should I then just unsolder and remove the 5V regulator (CJ78L05), Transistor (SC8050 D331)
and the Buzzer from the 9x Switch Board ? :)

I am not modifying the backboard.

Bob B.

Re: Reverse Current Protection Mod for 9xtreme

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 9:40 am
by jhsa
yes.. And you can also remove/unsolder the transistor near the buzzer..

João

Re: Reverse Current Protection Mod for 9xtreme

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:41 am
by andrewju
What about using a P-channel MOSFET instead of a diode?

Image

Voltage drop should be much lower - which may be good if one is using a 2S battery...

(I used a similar solution in the 'PowerSound' module - and it works good)

Re: Reverse Current Protection Mod for 9xtreme

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:53 am
by MikeB
That's a useful circuit, but not needed in this case. The soft power switch, which uses a similar reverse current protection circuit, shorts out the diode, so in normal use there is no voltage drop across the diode.

Mike.

Re: Reverse Current Protection Mod for 9xtreme

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 10:59 am
by andrewju
Ah, right! Understood.
Thanks!

Re: Reverse Current Protection Mod for 9xtreme

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 1:42 pm
by bob195558
I have unsoldered/removed three components:
Regulator, Transistor, Buzzer and also I removed the old Antenna Contact Bracket.
Switch Board removed Components.jpg
Switch Board removed Components_b.jpg
Next to cut the track I used a Dremel to grind it away.
Switch Board removed Components_c.jpg
Soldered SS34 Vishay Diode Schottky 40V 3A SMC to Switch Board.
Diode soldered to Switch Board_a.jpg
Next to reassemble Modified Switch Board to confirm 9x radio still is working properly.

Bob B.

Re: Reverse Current Protection Mod for 9xtreme

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 2:41 pm
by bob195558
Problem ! :( :o :shock:
After mod NO screen.jpg
No Screen at all now.
Radio seem to be powering up and screen has a quick flash of light.
No back light and no screen there is a beep from the transmitter.
Was working before.

Bob B.

Re: Reverse Current Protection Mod for 9xtreme

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 2:54 pm
by jhsa
The beep is probably from the RF module at power ON?

João

Re: Reverse Current Protection Mod for 9xtreme

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 3:22 pm
by MikeB
Double check the diode is the correct way round, and is fully connected to the two pins (switch and connector).

It may be worth a check with the diode shorted out to see if the radio starts then.

Mike.

Re: Reverse Current Protection Mod for 9xtreme

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 3:55 pm
by bob195558
I jumper around the diode and radio now powers up.
I checked another diode on the bench and I do have the diode in backward.
So I need to turn the diode around.

Update: bad diode had to use a different one.

Bob B.

Re: Reverse Current Protection Mod for 9xtreme

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 5:10 pm
by bob195558
I reversed the diode and it still dose Not work ! :o
SS34 Vishay DIODE SCHOTTKY 40V 3A SMC (http://www.ebay.com/itm/20PCS-SS34-Vish ... rmvSB=true)

Bob B.

Re: Reverse Current Protection Mod for 9xtreme

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 5:14 pm
by jhsa
Test the diode with a multimeter. Maybe it is open circuit..

João

Re: Reverse Current Protection Mod for 9xtreme

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 5:24 pm
by MikeB
I'll try to do the mod myself this evening.

Mike.

Re: Reverse Current Protection Mod for 9xtreme

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 5:46 pm
by bob195558
Multimeter set to 2X OHM, 2nd diode reads: .539

There may have been a problem with the 1st diode because it is reading .265

Maybe I should turn the second diode around.

Bob B.

Re: Reverse Current Protection Mod for 9xtreme

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 6:00 pm
by bob195558
I turned the 2nd diode around like I had the 1st diode and Now it is working properly ! :D
Working 9Xtreme upgraded radio_c.jpg
The first diode must have been a bad one.

My first 9Xtreme installation: (viewtopic.php?f=126&t=7718&start=90#p103320).

Thank you Mike and João ! :D

Added João's Videos Jan. 31, 2016: Safe Power Switch: (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzIZSg5U_6w)
and Safe Power Switch Battery Reversal: (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFM2aSYPYYQ).

Bob B.

Re: Reverse Current Protection Mod for 9xtreme

Posted: Wed Oct 21, 2015 6:14 pm
by jhsa
Good that is working.. ;) :)

João

Re: Reverse Current Protection Mod for 9xtreme

Posted: Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:33 pm
by LTMNO
Just received my 9xtreme.. i will be doing this shortly as well.. thanks for the posting...

Re: Reverse Current Protection Mod for 9xtreme

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 2:34 pm
by KAL
While still waiting for my boards (even snails seem to be quicker than our customs :cry: )
I do prepair my 9Xs for them.

So I did the current protection mod with an alternative diode, the 1N5822.

Here 2 pictures that show how it can be installed:
(Also you see here an easy way to get rid of the buzzer and it's surroundings ... :mrgreen: )
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the cut track is clear to see...
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The piece of isolation I strongly recommend ...

... next step is to put a drop of hot glue between diode and PCB ...

Klaus

Re: Reverse Current Protection Mod for 9xtreme

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 2:51 pm
by jhsa
You had no mercy cutting that board :mrgreen:
I do think that the other screw add a little more support when operating the switch.

João

Re: Reverse Current Protection Mod for 9xtreme

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 3:48 pm
by KAL
There now resides a rotary encoder ...
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WP_20151106_16_32_12_Pro (Groß).jpg
I'm no friend of this centered neck strap supports.

This is my prefered solution:
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WP_20151106_16_38_26_Pro (Groß).jpg

Re: Reverse Current Protection Mod for 9xtreme

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 4:39 pm
by jhsa
Ahhhh, you're not a thumb flyer :) That explains everything :mrgreen:

João

Re: Reverse Current Protection Mod for 9xtreme

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 5:59 pm
by s_mack
I can't picture it. What are the skis for?

Re: Reverse Current Protection Mod for 9xtreme

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 6:38 pm
by KAL
Are you kidding me? :D ;)
ABBC3_SPOILER_SHOW
Klaus

Re: Reverse Current Protection Mod for 9xtreme

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 6:41 pm
by jhsa
Is the tray riveted to the radio?? :o
Can't see very well on the pictures..

João

Re: Reverse Current Protection Mod for 9xtreme

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 6:43 pm
by KAL
Just a 3 mm screw and some washers ...
WP_20151106_19_44_48_Pro (Klein).jpg
WP_20151106_19_44_35_Pro (Klein).jpg
and yes, it's not built for blacksmiths ... :mrgreen:

Re: Reverse Current Protection Mod for 9xtreme

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 7:56 pm
by jhsa
definitely not :)

This is my tray for the 9x :)

viewtopic.php?f=48&t=1454

João

Re: Reverse Current Protection Mod for 9xtreme

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 7:58 pm
by bob195558
Hi Klaus,
Sorry, but I am not able to see how the aluminum out riggers added to 9X radio with the strap are attached to a person for usage ? :?:
:)

Bob B.

Re: Reverse Current Protection Mod for 9xtreme

Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2015 8:13 pm
by KAL
In absence of a helper for taking a picture ...
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