9XR PRO - better gimbals

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Re: 9XR PRO - better gimbals

Post by jhsa » Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:20 pm

There have been similar cases where the body of the pot was moving, that is why I have mentioned it. It happened to a few radios..

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Re: 9XR PRO - better gimbals

Post by bob195558 » Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:07 am

Hi bivo,
Just to be sure, which Taranis Gimbals have you installed, the normal (pot) Taranis Gimbals or the upgrade M9 Hall Effect Gimbals ? :?:

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Re: 9XR PRO - better gimbals

Post by bivo » Thu Nov 16, 2017 4:41 pm

Hi Bob,

I didnt install any gimbal yet.
I'm just considering to install Taranis Gimbals in my radio. I think its too much job to install M9 Gimbals.
I would like to know if Taranis Gimbals Works well in 9XR Pro.
Is it really better?
I'm even considering to by a Taranis radio instead.
What is your opinion about?

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Re: 9XR PRO - better gimbals

Post by bob195558 » Thu Nov 16, 2017 5:03 pm

I think buying a Taranis Radio is good, I like mine a lot and if you were to purchase the Taranis Plus Special Edition
which comes with the M9 Gimbals.
(https://alofthobbies.com/taranis-plus-s ... ion-1.html)
You can flash it with erSky9x firmware, which is what you are using on your 9XR-pro.

The Gimbals that come in the 9XR-pro are not very good (can be unreliable) and that's why we want to replace them.
Yes, the Taranis Gimbals work in the 9XR-Pro, but do not fit fix properly and so need a lot of custom fitting to install them.

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Re: 9XR PRO - better gimbals

Post by bivo » Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:21 pm

Bob,
Really! Taranis gimbals in 9XR Pro doesn't fix the problem!
Why?

Comparing Taranis and 9XR Pro, in your opinion which one has the better firmare to work?


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Post by bivo » Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:22 pm

Sorry, just now I got it. Taranis gimbals works good in 9XR Pro. But let me know, considering 9XR Pro as a whole, does it compensate pay around U$30,00 to install Taranis gimbals in it?

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Post by bob195558 » Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:40 pm

bivo wrote:
Wed Nov 15, 2017 7:02 pm
I have been problem centering the elevator stick.
Every time I turn the radio on its necessary to calibrate it.
You may have a bad Elevator pot, and if you use Mod 2 for your sticks,
I do have some new centering 9XR-pro Gimbals (Ailerons & Elevators).
If bad pot see here also for more info about (maybe) fixing a bad pot: (viewtopic.php?f=95&t=2974&hilit=replace ... 9x+Gimbals).
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Bob,
Really! Taranis gimbals in 9XR Pro doesn't fix the problem!
Why?
I miss typed the word fit, so my error when I typed fix instead of fit, sorry. :oops:
bivo wrote:
Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:21 pm
Comparing Taranis and 9XR Pro, in your opinion which one has the better firmare to work?
For which firmware (erSky9x or opentx) to use has more to do with what you personally want to use.
They are both very good, though I have had more trouble using opentx.
I started with er9x and now I use erSky9x most, which for me dose some things that opentx does not do.
Was just thinking, you are using erSky9x on your 9XR-pro and so you may want to stay with using erSky9x
with the Taranis Plus Special Edition, if you were to purchase one.

I hope this helps, Blessings,
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Re: 9XR PRO - better gimbals

Post by bivo » Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:33 am

Thank you so much Bob!
Is it possible to install erSky9x in a Taranis plus without being especial edition?
Sorry for borring you.

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Re: 9XR PRO - better gimbals

Post by bivo » Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:44 am

Bob,
Basically I use telemetry to monitor lipo battery voltage with voice alert. Does the Opentx works good in this case? Is it more difficult to be configurated?

Excuse me again

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Re: 9XR PRO - better gimbals

Post by bob195558 » Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:56 am

No trouble asking the questions, as it is better to understand your options. :)
bivo wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:33 am
Is it possible to install erSky9x in a Taranis plus without being especial edition ?
Yes, you would use the same erSky9x (plus) firmware for all versions of Taranis-plus radios.
The Taranis Plus especial edition radios has better hardware in them and is the best deal for what you get in my opinion.
bivo wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:44 am
Basically I use telemetry to monitor LiPo battery voltage with voice alert.
Does the Opentx works good in this case? Is it more difficult to be configured ?
Opentx I have not used for some time now, but if using erSky9x you can configuring your telemetry setting the same way
as you have been with your 9XR-pro radio.

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Re: 9XR PRO - better gimbals

Post by bivo » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:07 am

Thanks Bob. I get a litlle bit affraid of updating firmware.
Where do I find the erSky9x firmware to update Taranis?
Another question. To move my planes from 9XR Pro to Taranis with erSky9x is just to insert the Sd card from 9XR inTaranis and copy them?

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Re: 9XR PRO - better gimbals (eePSkye Eeprom Editor and erSky9x)

Post by bob195558 » Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:35 pm

bivo wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:07 am
I get a little bit afraid of updating firmware.
You should do this first.
If you have not used eePSkye (eeprom editor) on your PC yet, you should use "eePSkye Eeprom Editor" to backup (Save)
your list of planes (model programs) also known as eeprom.
You will need to make the proper setting for your 9XR-Pro radio in "Preferences" .
USB connection between 9XR-Pro radio and your PC / eePSkye Eeprom Editor.
Select "Read Memory From Tx" and then "save as" giving it a name, suggest something like this "11172017 9XRpro_a".
Its always good to save all of your old eeprom model list as you will be able to restore them to your radio if lost.

Second you can save your present 9XR-pro radio firmware to your PC using eePSkye.
Click on "Read Firmware From Tx", save and name this file too.
bivo wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:07 am
Where do I find the erSky9x firmware to update Taranis?
Find the newest ersky9x firmware and the newest eePSkye eeprom editor here: (http://www.er9x.com/).
Also if needed erSky9x directory layout for your SD card: (viewtopic.php?f=35&t=9034&p=116984#p116984).
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Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:07 am
Another question. To move my planes from 9XR Pro to Taranis with erSky9x is just to insert the SD card from 9XR in Taranis and copy them ?
No, because the 9XR-Pro and the Taranis-Plus use different hardware, the Radio setup is different between them.
Like, for one thing, the Taranis-Plus has more switches and in the program (firmware) they are also labeled differently.
So you will need to create a new eeprom model program for each model for the Taranis radio.
I think the best way is to update each of the eeprom model programs, by using eePSkye.
You can copy and paste most of the info and then make the correct setting changes for each eeprom model program.

I hope this helps,
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Re: 9XR PRO - better gimbals

Post by jhsa » Fri Nov 17, 2017 12:52 pm

Bob, I do believe models between all Ersky9x radios are compatible. Of course you will have to check the switches and that all the models is working well before you fly it.
I remember Mike saying that he mapped all the switches on all radios so they more or less match each other.
I do not have a taranis radio so I cannot try this myself. But they should be compatible, yes.

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Re: 9XR PRO - better gimbals (eePSkye Eeprom Editor and erSky9x)

Post by bob195558 » Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:09 pm

Hi João,
It has been some time since I moved eeprom model files from 9Xtreme and Sky9x radios to Taranis.
And have not tried it since Mike has updated eePSkye too.
So it may work better now then I can recall, if I find time, I will try it.
I also, could have be thinking of when I had moved (changed) er9x eeprom model files to erSky9x eeprom model file.
Thank you for your very good info ! :) 8-)

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Re: 9XR PRO - better gimbals

Post by MikeB » Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:18 pm

It wasn't possible, due to the different number of 2-pos and 3-pos switches to do a full switch translation, but this is the mapping I do:

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PRO    TARANIS
THR   SF
RUD   ---
ELE   ---
IDx   SC
AIL   ---
GEA   ---
TRN   SH
If any 'Pro 2-pos switches have been changes to 3-pos:
THR   SB
RUD   SE
ELE   SA
AIL   SD
GEA   SG
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Re: 9XR PRO - better gimbals (eePSkye Eeprom Editor and erSky9x)

Post by jhsa » Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:53 pm

bob195558 wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:09 pm

I also, could have be thinking of when I had moved (changed) er9x eeprom model files to erSky9x eeprom model file.


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This is something completely different.. :)

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Re: 9XR PRO - better gimbals

Post by bivo » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:15 pm

Thank you guys,

After the last messages I'm concluding its not possible to move files from 9XR Pro to Taranis.
Correct?

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Post by bob195558 » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:16 pm

jhsa wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:53 pm
This is something completely different.. :)

João
Well, maybe not completely different.
In eePSkye / erSky9x (use "BIN File" type) I can open (import) a saved eeprom er9x file (use "EEPE_File" type).
The er9x eeprom file is missing some (a lot) of the data, but with the data that is there,
I can copy and paste data back and forth.
But seem, I am not able to save to the proper er9x file type (did not try them all though). :) ;)

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Re: 9XR PRO - better gimbals

Post by jhsa » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:24 pm

bivo wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:15 pm
Thank you guys,

After the last messages I'm concluding its not possible to move files from 9XR Pro to Taranis.
Correct?
Yes, you should be able to.. Just check the models are working as they should. Check also the switches, you might have to re-program some of them.

Anyway, to know for sure, just try it. :)

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Re: 9XR PRO - better gimbals

Post by bivo » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:27 pm

Thanks João!

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Post by bob195558 » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:28 pm

bivo wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:15 pm
Thank you guys,
After the last messages I'm concluding its not possible to move files from 9XR Pro to Taranis.
Correct?
Oh Yes you can !, you will need to make some changes with the switches and check that everything has the correct setting before you fly.

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Re: 9XR PRO - better gimbals (eePSkye Eeprom Editor and erSky9x)

Post by jhsa » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:37 pm

bob195558 wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:16 pm
Well, maybe not completely different.
In eePSkye / erSky9x (use "BIN File" type) I can open (import) a saved eeprom er9x file (use "EEPE_File" type).
Yes you can, but look closely :)
The er9x eeprom file is missing some (a lot) of the data, but with the data that is there,
I can copy and paste data back and forth.
I have just tried, the only data that seems to be there is the model name. Good luck copying and pasting empty mixes :mrgreen:

You are mixing copying files between ersky9x radios and importing files from er9x radios. And this is different.
You should be able to directly copy a model from an ersky9x radio to another, even if it has different hardware.

But I don't think you could directly do the same with an er9x model.

What i just tried was to create a ersky9x eeprom with eepskye, right click on one of the model slots, and IMPORT a model created with er9x. This will give an error, but most of the information should be converted. You will still need to check the model as ersky9x has more options and features than er9x.

You can do this with eepskye, but not with the radio I believe.

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Re: 9XR PRO - better gimbals

Post by jhsa » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:41 pm

Mike, what do you think about implementing different file extensions for er9x and ersky9x (eeprom and models) so we wouldn't try to open wrong files with the radio? I don't know what the consequences would be as I didn't try it... yet :)

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Post by MikeB » Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:31 pm

.bin = ersky9x firmware or EEPROM.
.hex = er9x firmware or EEPROM, the file size wil indicate which it is, 5K or 10K is EEPROM.
.eepe = er9x EEPROM coded in XMLwith headers to indicate it is from er9x.
.eepm = model coded in XML with a header to indicate it whether it is from er9x or ersky9x.

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Re: 9XR PRO - better gimbals

Post by jhsa » Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:47 pm

MikeB wrote:
Fri Nov 17, 2017 3:31 pm

.eepe = er9x EEPROM coded in XMLwith headers to indicate it is from er9x.
.eepm = model coded in XML with a header to indicate it whether it is from er9x or ersky9x.

Mike.
These two, by looking at the file we can't know if it is for ersky9x or er9x.. Yhis is what I mean.. There is nothing on the file extension to differentiate them. And eepm files can be loaded directly on the radio, that means we could perhaps restore a er9x model to an ersky9x radio? and vice-versa too? What would the consequences be? :)

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Re: 9XR PRO - better gimbals

Post by MikeB » Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:04 pm

The Megasound checks the XML file (.eepm) to make sure it is from er9x, ersky9x also checks to make sure the XML file is from ersky9x, so trying to load a file for the "other" firmware should result in an error and not restore.

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Post by jhsa » Fri Nov 17, 2017 4:15 pm

Thanks for the explanation.. so, no chance of things going bad..

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Re: 9XR PRO - better gimbals

Post by Pihlerm » Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:12 am

Hello,

I fitted the M9 gimbals into 9xr with very little cutting, removed the trim pcbs and used a 3d printed adapter.
Adapter: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2693386

Then just drill the outer holes through M9 gimbal plastic .. and use longer screws.

If anybody is interested I can make some photos.

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Post by bob195558 » Wed Dec 06, 2017 10:12 am

I would like to see some photos !

Add edit: What does your 9XR pro M9 Gimbal 3D Adaptor look like when installed in your 9XR-pro ? :?:
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Re: 9XR PRO - better gimbals

Post by jhsa » Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:07 am

What you mean by "removed the trim pcbs"? Where did you put the trims??

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