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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by Bill » Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:51 pm

I think a quite good detailed review here..
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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by jhsa » Thu Jun 19, 2014 12:56 pm

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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by mnementh » Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:38 pm

Bill wrote:
I think a quite good detailed review here..
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jhsa wrote:I find that spoken alarms and spoken values on a switch for when we need to know them is enough. Values on the screen are good for when we have the model on the ground. Can you change models with different telemetry settings on those modules? If so, does it change models automatically when you change models on the radio?

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The LCD Displays are the regular FRSky LCD displays; the serial output from any FRSky Telemetry TX module will support multiple LCDs in parallel. I've used as many as 3 at the same time as my Android tablet. Alarms on the LCDs are set the same as ever. The bluetooth is just a means for connecting the raw TTL data stream from the FRSky module (Mine is a DIY, which is the same board they put inside the Futaba TX Module) to the tablet; from there, the app takes over.

FRSLogger is meant for use on a small screen, so it displays only one instrument or Google Maps location at a time. It does log all events for instruments you have enabled; you can select which you view with just a swipe on the screen. The version of FRSLogger I have doesn't do profiles; you select which instruments you want from the config page, sortof like programming alarms with the FRSKy LCDs. I don't know if other versions do profiles.

FRSky Dashboard does; you set up a profile for each model in fashion similar to programming your TX with Companion9x. You can select alarms, cyclic data announcement, view all raw data on one screen or build several instruments into one page. It is definitely more tablet-oriented. And the touch interface is MUCH more user-friendly.

For the 9XR Pro, I can see it being much more useful to have the raw data coming from the FRSky TX module... we already have apps that decode the data, taking that processor load off the TX. What would be nice is to have bluetooth connectivity to the TX processor in real-time, so we can launch an app on a tablet and use it to configure the TX with the touch-screen rather than messing with the Menus. That could become the "main screen" with the built-in screen as "backup" or "in-flight tuning" for many users.


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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by jhsa » Mon Jun 23, 2014 12:12 am

You can already do something similar, well sort off. Not from the tablet, but from eepskye on the computer.. eepskye as android app would be the icing on top of the cake. with eepskye, you can connect directly to the radio via bluetooth, program the model in eepskye while watching your model's controls move in real time by moving the virtual sticks on eepskye, when ready, save your model and send it to the TX sd card.. this still has to be using USB.
On the video below I'm using the 9x radio as I still couldn't show the pro because it wasn't released, but with the pro you don't use the arduino. You receive the serial form the bluetooth directly. I will try to make a video with the pro tomorrow ;)

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Re: 9XR Pro >>> More Ram needed for Model Wizard+Lua Script

Post by fburden » Wed Jun 25, 2014 6:21 am

"More Ram" = Scripting+Model Wizard = Great New Feature Request for the next batch of main boards = Good Idea??!!!

Re: 9XR Pro >>> More Ram needed for Model Wizard+Lua Scripting on the 9XR Pro?
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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by jhsa » Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:38 am

Maybe Mike can shrink the thing ;)

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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by SkyNorth » Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:04 pm

The ARM chip would have to be changed to a SAM4S , for more RAM.

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Post by jhsa » Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:06 pm

Pin compatible?
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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by SkyNorth » Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:59 pm

yes , but higher cost , and need some code mods to work.

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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by MikeB » Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:50 pm

We got the 3S8 fitted to the 'PRO, so increased the RAM from 48K to 64K.
Current RAM usage is 24.5K, so we have 39.5K free at present on the 'PRO, 23.5K free on the SKY board.

I've got the Lua sources, but I need some time to look into using them, or find some alternative.

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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by jhsa » Wed Jun 25, 2014 3:55 pm

I think Lua is going to get one of Mike's special treatments.. :mrgreen:
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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by mnementh » Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:37 pm

jhsa wrote:You can already do something similar, well sort off. Not from the tablet, but from eepskye on the computer.. eepskye as android app would be the icing on top of the cake. with eepskye, you can connect directly to the radio via bluetooth, program the model in eepskye while watching your model's controls move in real time by moving the virtual sticks on eepskye, when ready, save your model and send it to the TX sd card.. this still has to be using USB.
On the video below I'm using the 9x radio as I still couldn't show the pro because it wasn't released, but with the pro you don't use the arduino. You receive the serial form the bluetooth directly. I will try to make a video with the pro tomorrow ;)

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Mmmhmmm. I could swear I was able to do that with eePe ages ago; or maybe it was the FH-6S and Digital Radio software I used to have...

Actually, what excites me a lot more is the version of eePe you have there. Is it Windoze or Ubuntu? Is it hacked to fit the eePC's 1024x800 display? I have one I've owned since they were new; 2GB RAM, 32GB Runcore Mini-PCIE SSD and Windoze XP. I thought it would be perfect to use for programming the 9X, but the software didn't fit in the short screen, and there was no way to scroll vertically. I gave up and built a ToughBook from parts instead to get a full-size screen.

Of course now pretty much any tablet would spank the eePC for a user interface; but gotta build the app and the BT interface first. I'm afraid I'm more of a hardware geek; my Kung-Fu is about 20 years out of date. :p


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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by MikeB » Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:49 pm

eepe and eepskye are now released for Windows, Linux and MAC. I have made some efforts to reduce the height to enable it to fit on smaller displays. I forget as the screen on my computer is 1920 by 1080.

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Post by jhsa » Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:57 pm

ha ha, I have an eePC, even older than yours I suppose.. Yes, the screen size on it is a bit of a problem but Mike managed to make it fit (well, sort of ;) ) and at least the sim fits inside the screen. No, eepe didn't have the serial before. You might have seen a video I made from a version of companion a friend was working on, trying to do this for opentx, but the opentx team didn't show much interest in it so the project was kinda dying until Mike realize that is was a nice idea :) So, he implemented it in eepskye for the skyboard and Pro. and I think that eepe might already have it as well?
Skyboard and 9XR-Pro support bluetooth and can already talk to eepskye receiving the channel positions and send it over the air to the model. you can program an entire model from your PC and see the surfaces moving in real time.. REMOVE PROPS and PROGRAM A THROTTLE CUT SWITCH ;) Very important.. I will have to test it on Linux also..
Anyway, the reason no one wrote anything about it yet, is because it is still being tested. Actually we are going to test another bluetooth dongle. This one, if all goes well will be able to work as master or slave. If so, we could have a wireless trainer feature over bluetooth.. So, fingers crossed :)

The serial com can also be achieved using an arduino and FTDI adapter. I don't know if I already posted the code somewhere. the arduino then outputs PPM and connects to the trainer port of a TX..

As I said before, eepskye on android would be the icing on top of the cake.. :) :D

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Android versus Windows Tablets

Post by fburden » Fri Jun 27, 2014 12:24 am

EepSkye for Android, that sounds great, if you have an Android Tablet.
However, Windows 8 Tablets are the "Cat's Meow" for me right now, after testing and comparing Android and Windows Tablets for two weeks. We settled with the "Asus VivoTab 8", run full Windows 8.1 software, I fell in love with the Microsoft Onenote, along with the handwriting recognition, Wacom Digitizer Pen.

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are you talking about an android phone or tablet? My phone is android, would be neat to create and test a model on my phone, then email it to someone...

MikeB wrote:eepe and eepskye are now released for Windows, Linux and MAC. I have made some efforts to reduce the height to enable it to fit on smaller displays. I forget as the screen on my computer is 1920 by 1080.

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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by jhsa » Fri Jun 27, 2014 4:36 am

I was talking about android.. someone would have to write the app though.. not an easy task I suppose :(
That is just a dream.. ;)
But you know, if you speak about it long enough, maybe it happens :mrgreen:
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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by mnementh » Sat Jun 28, 2014 7:33 am

MS stated in April that they were going to drop Win 8.1 licensing fees to $0 for mfrs making phones & tablets less than 9" screen; if they port to the RockChip 3xxx family they could make serious inroads in the $50-150 tablet market, which is almost 60% of the new tablets being sold now that we've reached market saturation with the high-end units.

I imagine Intel would have a screaming hissy-fit if they did that though...

It's nice to know the eePC is now supported, (Thanks, Mike) but I use my CF-19 Toughbook for OBD-II diags and for nuking CISCOs since it has an actual serial port AND it has an OS that doesn't come with the "Signed drivers" rootkit installed. I'm not giving it up any time soon. ;)

Oh, wait... it WAS the FS-6H FlySky FS-CT6B and Digital Radio software that did that; it programmed through an RS232-TTL adapter. I made one out of an old dB9 Citrix RJ-45 dongle with a MAX232 chip shoehorned inside. I could make changes while the TX was hooked to the PC, and test the actions live with the TX. Yeah, I learned to unplug a motor wire with that one REAL quick.

I think maybe the simulator I was thinking of was in Companion9x; where it would simulate the servo action on a linear scale and highlight on the picture in the "quick templates" setup page?

I dunno...


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Post by Kilrah » Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:16 am

mnementh wrote:if they port to the RockChip 3xxx family they could make serious inroads in the $50-150 tablet market, which is almost 60% of the new tablets being sold now that we've reached market saturation with the high-end units.

I imagine Intel would have a screaming hissy-fit if they did that though...
I doubt. If they did it would have to be the RT version, which is useless as the whole advantage of being able to run any PC software is lost on ARM. Once this drops, android is heaps better than RT.

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ON TOPIC : Android GUI...?

Post by mnementh » Sat Jun 28, 2014 7:20 pm

jhsa wrote:I was talking about android.. someone would have to write the app though.. not an easy task I suppose :(
That is just a dream.. ;)
But you know, if you speak about it long enough, maybe it happens :mrgreen:
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Yeah, I know... that's why I keep sayin' it myself. :lol:

The functionality I've gotten with this setup is too nice to ignore; if I could just open an app for configuration too, I wouldn't care about all the talking alerts and stuph being IN the TX. The front-end could be in the tablet, and it could be TX platform-agnostic. Then we just port to whatever processor is in the TX, and it could concentrate on the heavy lifting, not all the other bells & whistles.

I wish my Kung-Fu were a bit stronger; I'd give it a try myself... but not feasible at a time when I'm raising a 4 and 6-year old. ;) Most of the time, I'm lucky I can find the [ON] button. :P


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Post by jhsa » Sat Jun 28, 2014 8:04 pm

4 year old? I hear you.. join the club :D
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Re: ON TOPIC : Android GUI...?

Post by fburden » Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:24 pm

Yes! All that fancy stuff doesn't have to be in the TX! The OpenTx Model Wizard for example, or the Model Wizard in CompanionTX (aren't they the same??). The Lua Scripting overhead is a real memory Hog on the TX.
But for which Table? Ipad? Android? or now Windows8? Would be nice if there as a decent cross platform coding suite to code ONCE for all of them at once.

Lets face it: most guys who are really into this, already have a laptop with bluetooth, either windows or a mac.
I'd be happy enough to bring a laptop in my car to the field.

Jsha, Mike, what you are doing with the Bluetooth now is awesome! This is something that not even the Taranis Plus will have!
mnementh wrote: The functionality I've gotten with this setup is too nice to ignore; if I could just open an app for configuration too, I wouldn't care about all the talking alerts and stuph being IN the TX. The front-end could be in the tablet, and it could be TX platform-agnostic. Then we just port to whatever processor is in the TX, and it could concentrate on the heavy lifting, not all the other bells & whistles.

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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by jhsa » Sat Jun 28, 2014 10:36 pm

I'm doing nothing.. I'm just testing.. Mike is doing it.. :)

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Post by fburden » Sun Jun 29, 2014 1:51 am

"Testing" is extremely IMPORTANT. I did it for a living for 15 years! I "can" be fun as well, especially helping to keep the super brainy developers humble. LOL.

Regarding Android. I recently evaluated at home with my wife the new/and previous version of the Samsung Note Pro 10 inch.
I almost bought it, even considered the 8 inch version. I really liked the included Digitizer Pen, and handwriting recognition.
We also had the Microsoft Surface Pro 2, heavier, but the MS Onenote software really hooked me, and convinced me to stay with a Windows 8 Tablet. I finally bought the Asus VivoTab 8.
Yes, Android.... also a great o.s. I love Android Phones. Making EepSky or Companion9x to work on it certainly deserves consideration. I really feel for the Developers, their life gets really complex having to develop across these many platforms.
They are going to need a few more testers like you!!!
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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by freduv » Tue Jul 01, 2014 2:03 pm

Hi,

Just wondering if any of you guys could help me with a telemetry issue, which just wont work.

So i bought a jr servo to futaba wire with the 9xr pro, because the stock wire is back ordered for a while already. I soldered the connections just like on the wiring diagram from the 9xr-pro hk files-tab. I've quadruple checked, but still can't get anything. I've also changed the com channel to 2, but won't help.

Please, any ideas on what to do?

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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by jhsa » Tue Jul 01, 2014 6:36 pm

your problem is fixed, right? ;)

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9XR Pro is Here

Post by ShowMaster » Tue Jul 01, 2014 7:57 pm

Try flipping the red and black. RXD should go to the end servo connector and go the top right Futaba pin.
The black should go to the center servo pin and the bottom right Futaba pin.
I wired my own for the beta pro but the wiring was done per the design drawings.


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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by jhsa » Tue Jul 01, 2014 8:02 pm

This was the problem I reported on the beta testers thread.. The one HK soldered the wires wrong to the futaba trainer port :(
he sorted it already..

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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by ShowMaster » Tue Jul 01, 2014 8:05 pm

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HK wiring.
I used red and white, HK used red and black.
Assuming the pro is factory wires correctly, it's just a matter flipping TXD and RXD. To avoid re soldering, just push the servo connectors PID out and swap them. No one will see it but you.
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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by Bill » Tue Jul 01, 2014 8:08 pm

With only three wires connected you don't have a ground connection, is the ground connected in some other way?
If not then the lack of a ground connection is the problem, I can clearly see the unconnected ground pin.
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