9XR Pro is Here

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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by Bill » Fri Jun 13, 2014 3:24 pm

it will cost a small fortune to send back to Hobbyking China & hardly worth it.
But you can order a new stick unit for $5.09 the stick unit for the ordinary 9xr is going to be the same as for the pro for sure.
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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by redalert » Fri Jun 13, 2014 4:09 pm

Bill thanks for pointing this out & a possibility, but with a $29 postage fee……

If I don't get anywhere with hobbyking support, i'll add one the next time I order something.

Thanks again

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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by ShowMaster » Sat Jun 14, 2014 1:59 pm

Ask HK for a free stick(s) replacement. Small item price for them to agree on if you are ok changing them.


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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by jhsa » Sun Jun 15, 2014 11:58 pm

A review video..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHYV1dFZN_k

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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by fburden » Mon Jun 16, 2014 3:30 am

pilot140467, is that you João? Nice response!


jhsa wrote:A review video..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHYV1dFZN_k

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18 months since the 9XR, what's next?

Post by fburden » Mon Jun 16, 2014 3:34 am

Wow, 18 months since the 9XR came out, now the Pro version. Can we expect new versions every 18 months?
I wonder what's in the pipeline over the next couple of years?

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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by jhsa » Mon Jun 16, 2014 9:56 am

You won't need to fly your model. Just sit, relax, and watch it flying by itself... ;) :D

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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by fburden » Mon Jun 16, 2014 9:40 pm

Yeah, it wasn't a very flattering video. The loose wire, not a big deal to me. Any idea's why he was having problems with his buttons? According to him, they would only work "half" the time. Doesn't make sense, since the Mark Harrison training videos, and jhsa's "clicky buttons" video, show the buttons working just fine.
What I would suggest, is another video (any volunteers?) with the follow:
(Zoom in on the Menu Screen; set the volume high so we can hear each click,-- especially since the cross button doesn't seem very loud)
--100 (only 1 click per second) clicks of the crucifix menu button, going all over the menu options and changing values from 0 to 100, all 4 ends of the cross.
-- repeat with each trim button, both directions.
--200 (only 1 click per second) click of the two buttons to the right of the screen, same idea.
--set the main screen showing the stick coordinate values, 2 minutes of flicking both gimbals, pause to show perfecting centering values, at least 1 minute for each gimbal.

jhsa, your clicking button was "ok" but the Tx was off when you tested the menu buttons. Also I didn't hear any click for the cross buttons.
We need a rebuttal video for this guy.....

jhsa wrote:A review video..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHYV1dFZN_k

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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by jhsa » Mon Jun 16, 2014 9:58 pm

I don't have to make any video. you can believe me.. all my buttons work well.. If HK have messed up, that's their problem.. i'm not very happy at them,, But all my buttons work well.. if they did a bad quality control, it's their fault. mined are good..


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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by ShowMaster » Mon Jun 16, 2014 11:06 pm

I have to agree with Jhsa. The buttons seem ok on the beta versions.
That was an important feature requested right off.
If HK did release the final version with button issues, it has to be a QC issue and they'll have to deal with it.
Wire soldering is something everyone buying a 9x or 9XR has already been cautioned to look over. Sad if this has carried over to the pro.
Maybe he got a first batch radio. He should ask for a replacement.
Hopefully he'll do a follow up on the outcome of contacting HK.
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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by MikeB » Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:14 am

He complained about the volume, but didn't make any attempt to set the volume higher! I don't know what the radio ships with, but the default setting is 2 and the maximum is 24.

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Post by jhsa » Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:43 am

I don't understand why all the noise because of a loose wire on the jaxk connector. The taranis had wires getting broken on the gimbals and it wasn't a big deal..

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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by jhsa » Tue Jun 17, 2014 8:47 am

Mike, on the video comments I did suggest that he should read the manual.. I think he started the video already with the intention of finding problems with the radio.. even that wire, I'm not sure if it was alredy unsoldered. You know, we didn't see what happened before the video..

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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by MikeB » Tue Jun 17, 2014 10:56 am

I'm wondering if HK have missed something regarding the direction buttons. My Beta unit is fine, doesn't need a lot of pressure and the buttons click nicely. If someone has a 'PRO with hard to press buttons, it would be useful if they were prepared to take it apart to see how the button mechanics compare to what the Beta units have.

Of course, if you use either "stick scrolling" or "pot scrolling" you don't need the direction buttons much.

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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by jhsa » Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:27 am

I think they messed up the push buttons. Can't those buggers do something right for God sake?? :twisted:

I told Bruce (in the comments) to do some homework before he reviews stuff. He was not being fair in some of what he said.. Totally biased I would say, which makes him unreliable as a reviewer.. :(

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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by SkyNorth » Tue Jun 17, 2014 11:37 am

I think that if you open up the 4 mounting holes on the PCB a bit a and re position the board , the buttons should work.
A slight mis-alignment can cause things like this.

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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by jhsa » Tue Jun 17, 2014 12:00 pm

Yes Brent.. But why the heck didn't they do it in first place? They might have killed the radio like that.. And that makes me angry :twisted:
It's not the user that has to do it.. Is the quality control at the factory.
Unbelievable

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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by deaconFlyer » Tue Jun 17, 2014 12:46 pm

I tend to agree with Bruce ... and yes, any of us who saw his early videos knows his preferences on the ergonomics and expected it would be back in this video.

When I received my first 9XR I had to open it up and reposition the rubbers over the the PCB before two of the keys would work with any reliability. Opening a new radio, even for someone who is comfortable to do that, can be fraught with the potential for error. Further, something so basic should never have come through QC. I too had to resolder one of the wires which was literally held in contact more by glue than any solder. This didn't really faze me because for $49 + shipping, well, it was $49 ... and I could barely ship it back for that amount.

Bruce's main point however deserves consideration. If, you are advising someone new to the hobby who wishes to buy a radio, would you recommend the purchase of a 9XR Pro (+ a module + receivers + telemetry adapter) or would you recommend a Taranis (+ receivers) especially considering that the price difference is minimal? At the new price point, there are other options to consider. At the original price point, for a hobbyist, it was an incredible bargain.

I look forward to HK releasing the board so I can potentially upgrade to the PRO board ... but, if I were buying it outright from the start ... my decision would be quite different at this time.

So don't get mad at Bruce ... he is opinionated ... he is clearly up-front about his biases ... we all know that ... and frankly, that is exactly why I listen to what he has to say, even when I disagree with him.

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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by jhsa » Tue Jun 17, 2014 12:53 pm

He should have done a bit of homework which he didn't. He deliberately didn't mention any of the features that the pro offers. Maybe in ignorance which leads to my first comment. Homework. ;)
And sorry but a good review must be impartial, otherwise it is a pile of rubbish and can't be trusted.

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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by jhsa » Tue Jun 17, 2014 1:17 pm

This was my comment on Bruce's video..

Bruce, I think you should do some homework before starting the review.. ;)
First, the 9xr-pro supports multi position switches 6 position actually. Like the taranis you will have to buy it extra. Second, it's not just SOME KIND OF SOFTWARE. It is ersky9x, very known and reliable and as good as opentx.
third, why should the radio support frsky telemetry out of the box? IT'S NOT A FRSKY RADIO. And good that Mike, the software developer, found an easy way to have frsky telemetry without needing any soldering. That is great. does the taranis support DSM telemetry out of the box? the PRO does without any extra cables. The taranis will never do it because of hardware. The pro is ready to support the frsky S-port telemetry without any mod. HK just needs an authorization from frsky as I think it is patented. This radio has a bluetooth port, rotary encoder port, etc.. You had the radio open and should have seen it. You can also replace the 2 position switches with 3 position switches quite easily. not solderless though. then just let the software know about it. About the quality, well yeah, I agree that is the same as the old 9xr. we (beta testers) tried to convince HK to put better sticks on it. They declined and said they will do better quality control on them, yeah right :( Sliders, well yeah, but not everybody use/like them. I'm trying to find a way of installing a taranis slider on the throttle side.. slider on the other side is useless anyway in my opinion. But that's just me.. Also this radio is supposed to have real switches on the buttons. Mine work fine.. I don't know where HK could have messed up there. But you're right, your unit's buttons are not working well..
You are obviously biased with the taranis and opentx. Did you really spend some time having a look at ersky9x? You don't sound like you did.. I normally like your reviews, but I have to give you the thumbs down on this one..
You are visibly biased on this one, and not being impartial..
I have a test radio since the end of December and never had a single problem with my unit.. I logged (yes you can log to the sd card) more than 25 hours of effective flight time with this radio, and I repeat, I never had a problem.. feel free to visit openrcforums.com if you really want some real information about the radio. As I said before try to do some homework before you review the stuff..
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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by Wimh » Tue Jun 17, 2014 2:03 pm

pearls for the swines....

by the way , could this be disclosed already :
jhsa wrote: ...support DSM telemetry out of the box? the PRO does without any extra cables...
?

I cannot remember having seen that before...
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Post by jhsa » Tue Jun 17, 2014 2:28 pm

unfortunately, I don't think so.. HK will do it when they find appropriate.. But if you own the pro you can already see the menus for it..

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Hopefully, a little realignment is all it is.... Bruce?

Post by fburden » Tue Jun 17, 2014 6:13 pm

Hopefully, a little realignment is all it is.... Bruce, could you try that?

SkyNorth wrote:I think that if you open up the 4 mounting holes on the PCB a bit a and re position the board , the buttons should work.
A slight mis-alignment can cause things like this.

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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by mnementh » Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:25 am

I really don't understand why so many of you are all uptight about the Pro using a cable to do Telemetry... if you really USE Telemetry, instead of just wanting to be able to SAY you have it, you'll soon discover as I did with my internal telemetry modded 9X that well... using the TX screen for telemetry SUCKS. It's too small & too far away from line of sight to your craft.

In order for visual telemetry to be useful, it needs to be clear, concise, and in a location that your eyes fall on exactly the right information with just a glance. Otherwise, it's a hazard, not a help.

Spoken, cyclic telemetry and alarms are better in some ways, but still not REALLY everything; you REALLY still need a good, clear visual telemetry display mounted high on the TX AS WELL. There is no good way to do this that doesn't involve at least one external cable. Y'all need to just suck it up. ;)

This is my current solution:

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Analog 6-position switch is on my blog, and I use a FRSKY DIY module modded into a spare Spektrum DM9 shell.

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It provides the usual serial output to two (or sometimes 3) concurrent FRSky Telemetry LCDs up high & easy to read, as well as concurrent bluetooth out for use with my android tablet. I can run either FRSky Dashboard or FRSLogger for cyclic data announcement and alarms & logging, as well as being able to track location on Google Maps via the GPS data stream if I so desire. I've also loaded both apps on an old android phone, which works fabulously slipped into a shirt pocket for just the cyclic voice data and alarms via the speakerphone output.

The great part is it's completely platform-agnostic; I can use the entire setup on My 9x, my 9XR, a Taranis even or even an old JR 9303 and have all my telemetry EXACTLY where I want it.

Where I can see the Pro shining for me is higher resolution joysticks (even as poor a pilot as I am, I'm getting to the point where I can feel the difference) and being able to run almost the same port of OpenTX as the Taranis, and the convenience of the additional built-in ports & flash memory for more models. Rotary-encoder menu navigation would also be high on my list.

We'll see. I built my module library (I currently have Spektrum DSM2, ORX DSM2/X, Tactic, FRSky, Esky and FlySky built) planning to some day use them with a Taranis. If I can get the Pro board as an upgrade part or sell my 9XR and buy a 9XR Pro without eating too much, I might gladly wait for the Horus as my next major TX expenditure. Though I have to admit, using the touchscreen to configure my alarms is a LOT less hassle than messing with the menu via the Cross-Buttons.

Honestly; I'd really prefer to just ignore the crappy LCD and messing with menu buttons altogether and have a configuration app on my Tablet. With Bluetooth connectivity, there's really no reason we can't have that.

Mike... are you thinking what I'm thinking? :p


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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by jhsa » Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:47 am

I find that spoken alarms and spoken values on a switch for when we need to know them is enough. Values on the screen are good for when we have the model on the ground. Can you change models wih different telemetry settings on those modules? If so, does it change models automatically when you change models on the radio?

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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by elephantwalker50 » Thu Jun 19, 2014 5:41 am

Hi,
I just picked the pro up from the post office in Palo Alto. I have the frsky D and X transmitters, along with matching rx. I hope to use telemetry, and will be trying both sport and the original hub.

I noticed that the software includes the sport inverter (cool, way better than an op amp inverter), but there's only a wiring solution for the old hub serial plug to the training port. Any ideas on sport to sport connector, or will this be a birds nest build?

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Post by MikeB » Thu Jun 19, 2014 7:59 am

The hardware fully supports the XJT, but at present we are waiting for HK and FrSky to agree that HK can use the PXX and SPort protocols. We have a NDA with FrSky on these and they have said they have patented them.

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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by Kilrah » Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:55 am

I think what he's looking for is the link to the internal mod for a DJT. Don't have the link handy.

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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by MikeB » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:38 am

The information to modify a DJT to use the interlan wiring is here:
download/file.php?id=8187.

HK have copied this and put it on their own site!
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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by jhsa » Thu Jun 19, 2014 11:13 am

I think a quite good detailed review here..
It's nice when people do take their time to actually learn about the stuff before talking about it. And then say what they like and don't like..

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