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9XR Pro is Here

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Post by dvogonen » Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:14 pm

I have ordered one. I had a 9XR and liked some aspects of it. I however got every single early version problem (sticky buttons, cracks in the case, failing sticks etc). I fixed it and sold it. Hoping for better luck this time.

I ordered the special telemetry cable that supports the XJT and DJT modules. Will the XJT module be able to run in full X mode with all the new bells and whistles (PXX, S.PORT, model match, Long Range)? Or will it run in D mode and basically be a more expensive DJT variant?

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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by MikeB » Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:15 pm

The current situation is that FrSky have said they have patented SPort and PXX, although I haven't seen any actual patents anywhere.
If another commercial radio wishes to use these, then they need to talk to FrSky. HK are aware of this, but have been working on Tx modules of their own. They have said they will talk to FrSky sometime. Perhaps if enough 'PRO users ask FrSky they will let us use them.

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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by Helle » Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:19 pm

Hy,

9XR Pro with what components ?

The Questions are:
bad stick as before
bad switches as before
bad rubber contakts at the PCB as before
bad and small LCD as before
bad speaker as before
with no akku
with no TxModul
with old software or opentx

to expensive with deliverycosts plus customs to europe


only the new board could be fine, we will see in details

Thank you, not for me, never a 9XR again
Each th9 was miles better

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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by jhsa » Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:20 pm

What's the point of buying a XJT module for another radio if you're not allowed to use all the features?? Nuts :twisted:

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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by jhsa » Wed Jun 04, 2014 4:23 pm

Helle wrote:Hy,

and with what components

bad stick as before
bad switches as before
bad rubber contakts at the PCB as before
bad LCD as before
bad speaker as before
with no akku
with no TxModul
with old software

only the new board could be fine, we will see in details

Thank you, not for me, never a 9XR again
Each th9 was miles better

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Wooow, it seems we have another Beta Tester here.. Does your pro have bad switches, or bad LCD, or bad rubber contacts? WELL MINE DOESN'T :twisted: :twisted:

And which old software are you talking about??

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Re: Sv: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by dvogonen » Wed Jun 04, 2014 5:37 pm

Helle wrote:Hy,

9XR Pro with what components ?

Same:
bad stick as before
bad switches as before
bad rubber contakts at the PCB as before
bad LCD as before
bad speaker as before
with no akku
with no TxModul
with old software

to expensive with deliverycosts plus customs to europe


only the new board could be fine, we will see in details

Thank you, not for me, never a 9XR again
Each th9 was miles better

Helle
I think that it would be nice if we kept the more colorful emotional arguments against different radios off of this board. For those interested there are a lot of people that are more than willing to wage flame wars for and against radio manufacturers and radio models on RCGroups.

The main topic of this board is the open software RC community. Until yesterday there were only two radios that could run our kind of open software without hardware modifications. Now there are three! None of these are the best RC radios ever built from a hardware perspective. They are all built to meet rather low price points. A new addition to the tiny group of radios is however a very positive event.

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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by RCHH » Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:21 pm

How comes the Pro needs the external cable for telemetry? Or does it?
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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by MikeB » Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:24 pm

See my post 5 before yours. Until HK and FrSky agree, we can't use the SPort. In addition, an unmodified DJT doesn't use the internal connection.

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Post by bertrand35 » Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:49 pm

Right, I really hope they will find an arrangement. As Mike I can't enable PXX and S.PORT in OpenTX/9XR-PRO on the compilation server until this!

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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by jhsa » Wed Jun 04, 2014 8:01 pm

RCHH wrote:How comes the Pro needs the external cable for telemetry? Or does it?
It doesn't if you mod the DJT like I did. But many people don't want to mod their modules as they want to use them in different radios. The best option was to use a cable which is a very clean and easy way of doing it. No need for holes in tbe radio either..

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Post by Wimh » Wed Jun 04, 2014 8:08 pm

Helle wrote:




Thank you, not for me, never a 9XR again
Each th9 was miles better

Helle
I sold my TH9X, using my 9XR exclusively lately...Just bought the pro and when I have it, will sell all my other Tx, 2Mpx royal evo, 2mpx cockpit and Jr X388... Different Strokes... Can't wait to see the eeskype software, maybe I can get rid of my cellphone as well...
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Post by Helle » Thu Jun 05, 2014 10:27 am

Hy will do the same

sell 2 Graupner and a MPX
sell a Th9
sell a T7AH 2400
sell a9XR, buy a 9XRPro
sell aTaranis, buy a Hours

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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by jhsa » Sat Jun 07, 2014 10:54 am

From the Discussion on HK PRO product's page
The Pro here has sold over 300 units Mode 2 already, so is quite popular .
Please don't start saying that the Taranis sold more Bla bla bla bla..
We all know that, but apparently this radio had a stock of more than 2000 units..

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Post by bertrand35 » Sat Jun 07, 2014 9:14 pm

jhsa wrote:But many people don't want to mod their modules as they want to use them in different radios.
And loose the insurance...
jhsa wrote: The best option was to use a cable which is a very clean way of doing it.
Sorry but I don't agree here :)

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Post by MikeB » Sat Jun 07, 2014 9:23 pm

bertrand35 wrote:
jhsa wrote: The best option was to use a cable which is a very clean way of doing it.
Sorry but I don't agree here :)
Why not, people are asking for DJT telemetry on the Taranis and I thought that was being considered by using a cable from the DJT to the serial port in the battery bay (works on ersky9x for Taranis BTW).

The cable runs from the back of the DJT to the Futaba trainer socket, no holes needed to connect up.

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Post by bertrand35 » Sat Jun 07, 2014 9:26 pm

MikeB wrote:
bertrand35 wrote:
jhsa wrote: The best option was to use a cable which is a very clean way of doing it.
Sorry but I don't agree here :)
Why not, people are asking for DJT telemetry on the Taranis and I thought that was being considered by using a cable from the DJT to the serial port in the battery bay (works on ersky9x for Taranis BTW).

The cable runs from the back of the DJT to the Futaba trainer socket, no holes needed to connect up.

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The same would apply on the Taranis, this cable going to a serial plug is terrible! I really prefer the S.PORT pin (on both Taranis and 9XR-PRO).

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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by jhsa » Sat Jun 07, 2014 9:30 pm

Well lose the insurance also. We all agree to disagree.. it's allowed.. :mrgreen: I do believe that a cable is a clean instalation and the module bay pins can be used for other systems ;)
Also, better have frsky telemetry with a cable than not having it he he. :) it doesn't influence the performance of the radio in any way. And the people can still use the trainer port if they need too. That's one thing I like on the pro. It was designed for tinkering :D

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Post by jhsa » Sat Jun 07, 2014 9:35 pm

I believe that pin on the pro is already used for something else?? :)

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Post by MikeB » Sat Jun 07, 2014 9:44 pm

Of course we would prefer an internal connection, but even the XJT doesn't send the DJT telemetry over the SPort pin, and certainly not in DJT format. You have to mod the DJT to get that to send data over the SPort pin.
Then we have a DSM2/X module that supports telemetry coming. This sends its data over the SPort pin, but unlike the XJT, it isn't inverted, so this won't easily work on the Taranis (the 'PRO includes a programmable invertor on the signal).

A simple, ready made, cable is quite an easy way to connect up, and it doesn't actually look too bad.

What might be ideal is if FrSky made a version of the XJT specifically for the 'PRO that uses the internal antenna connection as well!

jhsa: Pin 5 of the module connector is fully SPort compatible.

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Then we have a DSM2/X module that supports telemetry coming

Post by fburden » Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:18 pm

Will the OpenXVario easily work with the following, DSM2/X with Telemetry?
"Then we have a DSM2/X module that supports telemetry coming".




MikeB wrote:Of course we would prefer an internal connection, but even the XJT doesn't send the DJT telemetry over the SPort pin, and certainly not in DJT format. You have to mod the DJT to get that to send data over the SPort pin.
Then we have a DSM2/X module that supports telemetry coming. This sends its data over the SPort pin, but unlike the XJT, it isn't inverted, so this won't easily work on the Taranis (the 'PRO includes a programmable invertor on the signal).

A simple, ready made, cable is quite an easy way to connect up, and it doesn't actually look too bad.

What might be ideal is if FrSky made a version of the XJT specifically for the 'PRO that uses the internal antenna connection as well!

jhsa: Pin 5 of the module connector is fully SPort compatible.

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Post by MikeB » Sun Jun 08, 2014 8:06 pm

Unfortunately no. There is no suitable sensor connection on the DSM2/X telemetry for the openX sensor.

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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by mpjf01 » Mon Jun 09, 2014 2:10 am

So the DMS2/X module that is coming will be supporting FRSKY D series telemetry (not X series), have I got that right?

If so, will it support all hub sensors?

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Post by Rob Thomson » Mon Jun 09, 2014 7:04 am

Nope. DSM is not ACCST.

It will support telemetry - but of its own incarnation.

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Post by mpjf01 » Mon Jun 09, 2014 8:09 am

I was aware that DSM and ACCST are different RF protocols, I thought it at least possible that HK was making it's own 9XR PRO version of the module that sent the telemetry via the SPORT connector in FRSKY telemetry protocol, given that this is the only such protocol supported at present (AFAIK) in this radio.

Anyway, will that telemetry information be able to be displayed on 9XR Pro screen? I appreciate that the firmware would need to support this.
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Post by MikeB » Mon Jun 09, 2014 8:52 am

On the 9xR-PRO, yes. It is fully integrated into ersky9x, and the telemetry values available map to existing (FrSky) named values so are available for use in things like custom switches.

At present, this is not implemented on the Taranis. There is a hardware problem due to the serial telemetry data from the DSM Tx module being non-inverted, while the SPort connection in the Taranis is inverted. The 'PRO has a programmable inverter in the signal line to cope with different signal sense.

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Incarnation of OrangeRX Telemetry? What exactly?

Post by fburden » Mon Jun 09, 2014 7:58 pm

Rob Thomson wrote:Nope. DSM is not ACCST.

It will support telemetry - but of its own incarnation.

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For some of us, a big question is: what exact "incarnation" will the OrangeRX Telemetry be?
- fully Spectum? requiring the TM1000 Telemetry Module??
- or a borrowed recipe from Frsky (Hub sensor?)
- or something else?

I totally respect Non-disclosure agreements, if that is an issue here.
And I totally understand, the hardware/software/patent issues of "SPORT" only working on the XJT/Taranis Rx's.

But... if they can get the DSM working with a simplified version of Telemetry equivalent or better than Frsky Hub based Telemetry, why not? and Power to them!!!

And if it ONLY works on the 9XR-Pro, that's fine with me!

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Re: 9XR Pro is Here

Post by Kilrah » Mon Jun 09, 2014 8:09 pm

They seem quite quite deeply committed to replicating the Spektrum system including its drawbacks, telemetry being one.

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