DO's and DONT's for the newcomer to 9x

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DO's and DONT's for the newcomer to 9x

Post by erazz » Sat Jan 14, 2012 7:46 pm

A couple of do's and dont's for the newcomer to 9x:

DO take it apart and look at every joint. Go over with a soldering iron if you're not happy.
DO clean the pads with a Q-tip soaked with alcohol or with an electrical contact cleaner.
DO take off the plastic film off the LCD. It's there. Trust me :)
DO NOT use the original battery holder.
DO NOT use alkeline batteries.
DO use a good Lipo/Nimh/LiFE/Trustfire battery with a good connector.
DO make absolutely sure you plug it in the correct way!
DO NOT use the original FW (going to get flamed on this probably - but, seriously, why would you want to anyway?).
DO NOT expect super high workmanship.
DO get pleasently surprised when you see decent materials and operation.
DO participate in the forums. Read, ask questions, make suggestions. This is USER OWNED FREE OPEN SOURCE. It's yours. Make a difference!
DO NOT get discouraged. It may take a little while to learn everything. It's worth it.
DO Spread the word. Tell people about this. They won't belive you but everyonce in a while you may actually help someone!
Finally, DO NOT freak out! It's just a hobby and it's just a $60 (or less) radio. Take it easy :)
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Re: DO's and DONT's for the newcomer to 9x

Post by molond » Sat Jul 28, 2012 1:11 pm

Hi,

I just found this forum after ACCIDENTALLY pluging my battery in to my 9x backwards! Its currently in pieces on my work bench and non of the visible parts have exploded or burnt but it still doesn't work! Is there any fix or has the main chip been ruined? (with out exploding? Never seen that before!)

I had a look around while I was at it and could not find one diode! Just one would have prevented this! Is it like this so an idiot destroys his remote and they get more money? Shame on them (I won't buy another but will buy the 9xr which comes out soon, so back to the Spektrum DX5e for now)!

Thanks any way,

Darcy

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Re: DO's and DONT's for the newcomer to 9x

Post by ShowMaster » Sun Jul 29, 2012 6:51 am

In defense of the design, yes a diode would be a great addition, but...
As the battery and connector comes its not easy to do that. Usually it happens when a modification to the battery source is made and a substitute connector is used, or the stock connector it rewired reversed. Most TXs will suffer a failure if this happens.
But now that it's happened and tx is dead it's show time!
The common failure is the 5 volt regulator and the cap next to it, that's well documented. Another failure can be the rf module regulator.
The best way to fix your board is with a meter (DVM) and a correctly wired battery pack. Measuring form a common ground and for your pack voltage on the input of the 5v regulatir and +5 on the output. Next measure the 3.3v regulator next to it for 3.3v out.
If you have that the tx should do something. If not that part has failed as it usually does.
If you don't see any battery voltage at the 5v regulator input then your trouble is between the battery connector and through the switch and the larger white connector at the board top.
If you didn't hear a laud pop or smell anything maybe it just a bad battery connection or reseat the connectors.
Usually however a reversed battery kills the 5v reg and cap. Some have had the circuit trace above the LCD connector burn open.
Pictures of your board would help a lot since many here know what to look for.
Get that meter working and post some measurements and you may get lucky.





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Re: DO's and DONT's for the newcomer to 9x

Post by Hal9000 » Sun Jul 29, 2012 7:39 am

DO take it apart and look at every joint. Go over with a soldering iron if you're not happy.
And I am bloody glad I did too.

Received my 9x last week from HK. While waiting in anticipation I perused these and RCModelReviews forums for gotchas, mods and other fun things.

So I cracked open my unit and was not surprised to find many suspect looking joints. I even discovered that my rudder pot had been wired inversely. So after a couple of hours resoldering nearly all the joints and fixing the inverted pot wiring, I am the happy owner of a TX unit that is going to be as good as, if not better, than my DX6i.

Thanks Forum Contributors!

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Re: DO's and DONT's for the newcomer to 9x

Post by janekx » Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:11 pm

I am new to 9X, is on the way to me and I looked for this topic what to do when arrive. Thnaks


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Re: DO's and DONT's for the newcomer to 9x

Post by ShowMaster » Thu Aug 09, 2012 7:47 pm

Wow, first time for a reversed wired pot? Not a menu option but wired wrong. Good to know, thanks.


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Re: DO's and DONT's for the newcomer to 9x

Post by Romolo » Wed Sep 19, 2012 10:41 pm

At least three radios from the module less HK batch, I got in my hands had pot wired reversed...

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Post by momofx » Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:07 pm

Can someone maybe post a picture of the incorrect wired pot or a link to it...

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Post by Kilrah » Fri Sep 28, 2012 8:46 pm

Hmm, there are 3 wires on the pot, and the outer 2 are swapped.

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Re: DO's and DONT's for the newcomer to 9x

Post by firstadam2k » Sun Oct 14, 2012 8:56 pm

why are you not to use the regular battery holder and why no alkaline batteries?

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Post by Rob Thomson » Mon Oct 15, 2012 4:37 pm

No reason other than they don't last long; and have a habit of not working due to poor contacts!
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Post by kaos » Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:20 pm

Rob Thomson wrote:No reason other than they don't last long; and have a habit of not working due to poor contacts!
yep, replace that NiMH battery holder to lipo/liFe. many have reported bad contact, in mid air - not too pretty. ;)

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Post by ShowMaster » Tue Oct 16, 2012 6:55 am

firstadam2k wrote:why are you not to use the regular battery holder and why no alkaline batteries?
If you change battery type " be very careful of wiring polarity. Do not use a 2 wire plug, reuse the 3 wire on dry pack or a servo type 3 pin plug"



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Post by marhar » Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:52 pm

firstadam2k wrote:why are you not to use the regular battery holder and why no alkaline batteries?
My battery holder was a bit tight, and would actually squeeze the batteries enough so that they wouldn't touch the contacts in the holder. I used an exacto knife to trim part of the holder away so the batteries wouldn't bind, and then all was well.

As soon as I figured out the instructions for using LiPo or LiFe batteries I switched and have been quite pleased. I use lots of 500mAh 3S cells for my planes, so that's what I use. of course, be careful setting up your connection so you don't do a Reverse Polarity Upgrade!

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Re: DO's and DONT's for the newcomer to 9x

Post by daklein » Tue Jan 01, 2013 5:25 am

To prevent reverse battery pack: Convert the original plug to use only the outer two pins, in the configuration of a two cell lipo battery balance lead. So any two cell lipo pack will work without modification, and at least for all the packs I have the balance leads are standard and polarized.

Look at the back circuit board, I think it has ground on both sides and hot in center originally.
1: Remove the center pin, cut it off so doesn't go into battery plug, and remove the pin from the plastic socket. Leave the plastic socket, that's what keeps its polarized.
2: cut the one outer pin copper around the pin (so not connected to ground anymore), and bridge with solder from that pin to the center pin. Looking at the back of the radio, from inside the radio, this is the right hand pin.

Must be a mod listed elsewhere, probably read it here somewhere..... I don't think I dreamed that up.

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Post by tedbmoss » Sun May 12, 2013 4:59 pm

Please do not change the plug for the batteries. Use a three way plug as suggested. The reverse polarity protection is built in to the design of the plug. Always use a three position plug with the center positive, that way it does not matter if you reverse the plug.

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Post by ShowMaster » Mon May 13, 2013 12:00 am

I agree. The 3 reversed battery 9x's I've repaired were all new owners the frankly didn't have a technical clue of what they were doing. Having them actually rewire their boards battery connector and circuit trace connections will never happen.
Cutting off the 3 pin dry battery cable and making an adapter out of it has a better chance to be done correctly.
Someone here should be making and selling an adapter from a lipo balance plug or life battery to a 3 pin that fits the 9x power connector.
In fact why doesn't HK think of it and sell it among with the 9x as an accessory mush have?
Some of the TXs I fixed were only out of the box they came it for 30 min before they were burned up by the owners. So sad to get the call from a club member. They sound so defeated and depressed.
My vote is a correctly wired adapter, pre made if I had a granted wish for new 9x owners.
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Post by andrew122 » Thu Jan 23, 2014 8:03 am

Thanks for the detailed information, hoping for some tips, just post it please,,,

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Post by Cagey » Sat Mar 29, 2014 6:23 pm

I soldered a JST pigtail to the factory pcb at the battery connector and looped around into the battery compartment next to the smartie progmmr. The connecter is for the Turnigy 2.2 tx pack. Now cover closes, no battery mod and original socket still in place. Cannot easily reverse polarity

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Re: DO's and DONT's for the newcomer to 9x

Post by tedbmoss » Tue Oct 20, 2015 5:47 am

I noticed that no entries have been made here for a while.
Please take this advice: use original (stock) battery plug.
Remember that a Taranis battery as well as others are wired differently.
Using separate cells in battery will lead to crash, this has been known for more than 50 years.
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Re: DO's and DONT's for the newcomer to 9x

Post by johste » Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:29 am

SET THE FAIL SAFE IT WORKS AND AT STOCK THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dESQ-Iz3WW0

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Re: DO's and DONT's for the newcomer to 9x

Post by Nadim » Tue Feb 23, 2016 11:54 am

I'm new here and I'm sorry if my post may sound inappropriate, but...

Isn't this fix: http://openrcforums.com/wiki/index.php/ ... Ground_Fix

as crucial as all the other points made?

You don't really want end up with a self-reflashing TX during flight...

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Re: DO's and DONT's for the newcomer to 9x

Post by MikeB » Tue Feb 23, 2016 12:38 pm

That fix is very likely to be needed if you have a '128 processor. The original '64 processor didn't suffer from the problem.

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Post by bob195558 » Tue Feb 23, 2016 2:04 pm

There was one 9x 64 processor that was suffering from this problem in my RC group
and after doing the Horizontal Trims Ground Fix the problem was corrected.
This maybe the only 9x 64 processor documented with this same problem and corrected with this fix. :)

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Re: DO's and DONT's for the newcomer to 9x

Post by Nadim » Wed Feb 24, 2016 4:30 am

bob195558 wrote:There was one 9x 64 processor that was suffering from this problem in my RC group
and after doing the Horizontal Trims Ground Fix the problem was corrected.
This maybe the only 9x 64 processor documented with this same problem and corrected with this fix. :)

Bob B.
I see. I said that because who made the wikihow had stated in the forums that regardless of the CPU, any 9X would potentially be at risk.

Personally, I also noted the bug only when I got my second '128' 9x, but then I operated the fix on my 64 as well.

Thank you^^

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Re: DO's and DONT's for the newcomer to 9x

Post by FlyingJeeper » Sat Jul 09, 2016 2:26 am

"DO take off the plastic film off the LCD. It's there. Trust me :)" Thanks very much for this one! Clear LCD now! :P

"DO clean the pads with a Q-tip soaked with alcohol or with an electrical contact cleaner." pads? I have no clues?,.. :oops:

Thanks for your post, very helpful ;)


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