Kilrah wrote:jhsa wrote:Don't you also use companion to configure your models Kilrah?
No, nearly never. At most I make a basic "skeleton" starting point then finish and tweak on the radio. I want the "direct" feel of moving the controls and editing the values on the radio.
So, you don't have this feature in openTX. As far as I know, you do not use eepskye nor eepe as you use openTX, right? Even if you did, you wouldn't use this feature as you do not even program your models using the computer.
Why your sudden concern about this feature in ersky9x and eepskye then?
Sorry but this starts to sound a bit like "if we don't have it, the others can't also have it"?
jhsa wrote:
The radio has a general model loaded so it can work with eepskye.
Which is IMO very stupid and the worst possible way you could go about it, and that's why it's not in OpenTX.
No Sir, it is not stupid.. If you would inform yourself and actually go read the project page, you would find out that you wouldn't even need the radio to connect your model to the computer and program it. You only need to program an arduino with some code Mike wrote. This arduino could also be used to decode the 16 SBUS channels from a frsky receiver and be used inside a model.
I only mentioned the radio because it seems to be the only way we could get telemetry back to eepskye, using the BT connection, unless we find another way of doing it using the arduino, which would be nice.. I guess this would be possible if using the oXs as we wouldn't need the receiver connected to send telemetry, The arduino sending receiving the channels could probably be also connected via BT instead of the FTDI adapter.
The way it's done involves a way too long chain of separate elements and requirements to be used that makes it:
- A pain to set up (I could literally configure a model from scratch on the radio itself and be done before you've connected and set up everything you need to start making it on the PC)
Wow, you're fast
But you don't know how fast I am
I actually doubt you would be faster. You see, I am trained to do it, and you might not be. As you say, you never do it
With ersky9x, it takes less than 10 seconds to connect the radio to the PC via BT (something that openTX also doesn't have as far as I know). With the arduino it takes even less.
So, you wouldn't be much faster to begin with. I would then recover the 10 seconds by programming the model using eepskye
But I don't do racing
Anyway, as my father used to say, "There is no way you will do things very fast, and do them well" I took his advice seriously and I'm glad I did it, specially in electronics and when programming models. I always take my time.
I prefer to have all the options in front of me on a computer screen, and edit them there
- Too error-prone for the user due to the many things that have to be set up right before they can use it
Negative, again if you had checked or used the feature, you would know that you can program your model from scratch. I am talking about models, not the Radio Setup itself, even if you could also do it.
I have been using it and never had a problem.
- Too error-prone from a technical/development point of view (many separate, chained things in which a bug could cause problems, and that are not widely used enough to catch them)
- Complex to maintain i.e. lots of duplicate work e.g what Mike said for the telemetry handling
I think Mike managed it very well until now. I can't see why he shouldn't in future. I would let him decide that, unless you want to help him with the eepe/eepskye development of course
It might be an interesting feature for some but should be done completely differently for a better ease of use so that people could actually consider using it, for easier maintenance and for better reliability/safety.
It is very reliable, it was very well tested, it is very safe, the arduino code even has failsafe, and you shouldn't have any props ON when programming a model anyway.
One thing I don't understand is why when someone comes with some idea for ersky9x, here or in RCG, Kilrah is always there trying to put it down??
That has been happening since quite a while.. For example when I announced my RF module soft power module project (for the Ar9x board, skyboard and 9XR-PRO radio), which actually WORKS VERY WELL. It was bashed like hell without any reason. Most radios (including all frsky radios) have it now. Only because it was for ersky9x and for the 9x radio with upgrade board?
I don't see anyone using ersky9x bashing the new features the opentx team adds to the firmware. I might comment if I would like it or not but I wouldn't try to convince the team to actually not implement it. Why should I, if i don't even use openTX and Companion? It is not my business
I could make some constructive suggestions at best.. But that is me of course
João