T9X mod to use Flysky module, Frysky module and DSMX module

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Re: T9X mod to use both Flysky module and Frysky module

Post by Kilrah » Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:23 am

Actually the picture isn't the final one - I had my nice little 3.3V regulator in the bind button board's end pins, but this one couldn't take the current spikes from the DSM module. I since then removed it and installed the one from the DX4e. I don't have a photo, need to take one tonight. As it's SMD, the result is much less clean :D

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Re: T9X mod to use both Flysky module and Frysky module

Post by kaos » Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:44 am

:( Now you are telling me after I got 10 78m50. it says in the brochure it's able to handle 0.5 A current. What kind of current surge you were looking at?

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Re: T9X mod to use both Flysky module and Frysky module

Post by Kilrah » Fri Apr 06, 2012 2:31 pm

I explained it to you in the PM...
You need BOTH the 7805 AND the 5V -> 3.3V regulator that is in the DX4e, cascaded.

In my case, the 7805 was already on the bind board from the stock module, so all I needed was solder the DX4e's reg inline.

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Re: T9X mod to use both Flysky module and Frysky module

Post by kaos » Fri Apr 06, 2012 5:09 pm

Ah, I misunderstood that 7805 is what I needed in place of the 5->3 volt regulator. Well, will find some use for it some time. ;)

But I want to see your final pics when done. don't worry about cleanliness, I am half blind any way. ;)

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Re: T9X mod to use both Flysky module and Frysky module

Post by Kilrah » Fri Apr 06, 2012 7:44 pm

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The 220uF capacitor is also taken from the DX4e and connected at the output of the 3.3V Vreg (in parallel to the DSM module).


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Re: T9X mod to use both Flysky module and Frysky module

Post by kaos » Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:04 am

Wow , that is a total rearrange of circuit there from previous one. There are some wires I can't see clearly where they go. ONce I get my DX4e module out and has all the components needed I will check again with you about those unclear connects.

With this circuit, did you get all the surge problem solved?
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Re: T9X mod to use both Flysky module and Frysky module

Post by jhsa » Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:08 am

kaos wrote: don't worry about cleanliness, I am half blind any way. ;)
Well, I guess it's your fault :mrgreen:
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Re: T9X mod to use both Flysky module and Frysky module

Post by kaos » Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:23 am

I am not going to worry about that. Kilrah is working on that I am sure. Swedish you know! :)

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Re: T9X mod to use both Flysky module and Frysky module

Post by jhsa » Sat Apr 07, 2012 12:34 am

Swedish?? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Re: T9X mod to use both Flysky module and Frysky module

Post by Kilrah » Sat Apr 07, 2012 8:32 am

He's American, you know, so it's pretty normal ;) :mrgreen:
kaos wrote:With this circuit, did you get all the surge problem solved?
Yep no problem, I've been flying a few hours with it so far and no issues.

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Re: T9X mod to use both Flysky module and Frysky module

Post by kaos » Sat Apr 07, 2012 9:11 am

OH, no. Swedish is flying with a Medusa head. :lol:

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Post by Hasse.69 » Sat Apr 07, 2012 5:54 pm

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Re: T9X mod to use both Flysky module and Frysky module

Post by dvogonen » Sat Apr 07, 2012 6:12 pm

Not quite the only Swede.

But I am not all that active. Although I have translated open9x and companion9x to Äran och Hjältarnas Språk (i.e. Swedish to the rest of you)

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Re: T9X mod to use both Flysky module and Frysky module

Post by kaos » Sat Apr 07, 2012 7:40 pm

Ah, all Swedes /Swiss popped up. Well, Puma Swede beats you all. :mrgreen:

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Re: T9X mod to use both Flysky module and Frysky module

Post by kaos » Sun Apr 15, 2012 4:33 am

OK, 1st step toward the making of swappable DSMX module.
made a soldering tip from a 2.5 mm diameter copper wire and it worked well for desoldering the Flysky antenna from module board and pulled the reset button board. Looks like nothing was burned. :mrgreen:
tomorrow will be the time to get the DX4e module out of the Tx. :)
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Re: T9X mod to use both Flysky module and Frysky module

Post by kaos » Sun Apr 15, 2012 7:59 pm

Kilrah: I am getting ready to put the module together. But I could not find a 220 uF capacitor of that size as shown in your pic. are you sure it is 220 uF not 22 uF? 220 uF is huge.

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Re: T9X mod to use both Flysky module and Frysky module

Post by Kilrah » Sun Apr 15, 2012 8:02 pm

Hmm not 100% sure, but I grabbed it from the DX4e, see attached pic for location.

A 6.3V rated 220uF cap shouldn't be much bigger than that.
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Re: T9X mod to use both Flysky module and Frysky module

Post by kaos » Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:11 pm

yes, that is the voltage regulator, what i am saying is the capacitor between te 78m50 and the voltage regulator. or are you saying that red circle back side is the capcitor?

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Re: T9X mod to use both Flysky module and Frysky module

Post by Kilrah » Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:17 pm

kaos wrote:are you saying that red circle back side is the capcitor?
That.
I have connected the cap on the output of the 3.3V Vreg.

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Re: T9X mod to use both Flysky module and Frysky module

Post by kaos » Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:13 pm

yep, now I see it. it is at the back of that red circle and it is 220uF. boy, this one is a lot smaller than the ones I saw today at radio shack. Back to desoldering now. ;)

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Re: T9X mod to use both Flysky module and Frysky module

Post by kaos » Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:09 am

OK, look what I have now. :)

question. Is there an easy way check whether the 220 uF capacitor and the 3.3 Volt regulator is in good condition? (not burned out by my desoldering) Before I solder them all together. :mrgreen:
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Re: T9X mod to use both Flysky module and Frysky module

Post by Kilrah » Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:57 am

kaos wrote:Is there an easy way check whether the 220 uF capacitor and the 3.3 Volt regulator is in good condition?
Nope, not really. However, once you've soldered everything together and have your 3 wires ready to be connected to the DSM module, DO check the voltage is correct :)

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Re: T9X mod to use both Flysky module and Frysky module

Post by kaos » Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:55 am

OK, so if I see smoke, then i will know. ;)
now this is the critical questions:
1. the capacitor is polarized or not. I remember , long time ago, some are some aren't . this 220 uf is or not. if it is which end is which, how to tell?
2. in your 'final version' ;) of the circuit, some connections I can't tell for sure.
here is what I can get from the pics:
blue wire from mid pin of 7850 to capacitor then through red wire to the back tab of the 3.3 reg.
the right tab of the 3.3v reg is soldered onto the middle row 4th dot from the right of the reset board. the left tab of 3.3 reg is soldered to the 6th dot from the left (bottom row)
the middle tab of the 3.3 v reg is soldered to the 4.7K resistor and the red wire to 2nd pin of the connector
the white wire is solder to the other end of the 4.7K resistor and to the 2nd dot from the left(bottom row) (which should be one of the diode's lead too), and goes to the 6th pin of the connector.
the black wire goes from the 2nd dot of the middle row (which is also the middle pin of the 7850) to the 1st pin of the connector.

Did I confuse you? That is how your circuit/pic confused me. :mrgreen:

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Re: T9X mod to use both Flysky module and Frysky module

Post by GrootWitbaas » Mon Apr 16, 2012 8:36 am

for the cap I can help, yes it is polarized, you can see from the marking.
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Re: T9X mod to use both Flysky module and Frysky module

Post by kaos » Mon Apr 16, 2012 4:10 pm

Thx Groot. I got it. Now just wait Kilrah to sort out his Medusa head creation. i am all ready to go. After he read what I wrote, his head is probably like that too. :lol:

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Re: T9X mod to use both Flysky module and Frysky module

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Re: T9X mod to use both Flysky module and Frysky module

Post by kaos » Tue Apr 17, 2012 4:33 pm

While waiting Kilrah's answer/clarification. I looked into the 5.5 V and 3.3 v chip diagram. and what is going on with the electronic industry. For LM78m05 5.5 chip the GND is the middle pin but the the 3.3 chip (LD1117S33) the GND is the left pin (when pins are facing down). Engineers surely knows how to make things complicated. :mrgreen:
No wonder I was so confused how kilrah wired those reset button board and the 3.3 volt reg. But , Kilrah, still need your clarification for final soldering. :!:

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Re: T9X mod to use both Flysky module and Frysky module

Post by Kilrah » Wed Apr 18, 2012 7:43 pm

Ook.

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Let's say the pin on the left is pin 1.

The diode is between pin 1 and 2. The marking towards pin 1. The diode's lead on pin 2 is left a bit longer and bent out. The white (signal) wire AND one leg of the resistor get soldered to it.
Pin 3, 4, 5 are unconnected.
Pin 6 is +5V, and receives the "right" leg of the 3.3V regulator.
The middle leg and tab of the regulator are lifted and mustn't touch anything (they're both 3.3V out). The other leg of the resistor is connected there, along with the cap's positive and the red wire (3.3V supply to the module).
The regulator's left leg is soldered somewhere on the large ground area on the right of the PCB, along with the cap's negative and the ground wire to the module.

Hope it clears it up :mrgreen:

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