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Re: FAA Unmanned Aircraft Systems Registration 2015

Post by jhsa » Tue Feb 09, 2016 4:45 am

God help the people that fly up there. :(

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Post by ShowMaster » Sun Feb 21, 2016 3:37 pm

Latest drone update. Recently no goggles flying in the whole county, but now the park users comities have voted on, and asked that, all drone flying be banned from any park or wildlife area. They've asked that the parks bring in the police to ticket all model aircraft flying, and especially drone flyers flying in these areas.
I'm going to a big town hall meeting next week, where this will be put to another vote by home owners and those unhappy with where the planes and drone are being flown. Law enforcement leaders will be there to hear the many complaints.
The major complaint is total disregard for privacy and injuries due to a drone dropping on people and property when they fail.
Park flyer airplanes are also included in these complaints due to the popularity and lack of pilot skills.
Another county has passed a law that states, "no self propelled model aircraft" can be flown in parks.
I understand kites and hand thrown small wooden or plastic toy planes are ok.
Basically the only legal place to fly RC is becoming at a private field not at a park or school ground. You must have proof on you that you have permission to fly on this private land also.
This make the private leased land clubs the only legal place to fly. Many are complaining however that to join these clubs they must show proof of liability insurance, usually AMA at $50-75/yr, and pay the club initiation first time fees. Usually $250 first year, $65 after that. Also you must follow all the adopted safety and boundary rules. If not, you can be banned without any refund. This is all spelled out in a contract membership application you sign.

Sadly, fixed wing planes have been sucked into this legal mess by irresponsible multi rotor flyers flying/hovering over people at the parks and homes. Fixed wing park flyers IMO, usually don't!
Now the good news! As a paid member of several private we'll run Rc club fields, I look forward to seeing the painful look on the drone flyers that want to join, when they see what I have to pay a year to fly my Rc plane!
The other plus, is these new members have to be voted on to join. If you've been a naughty drone flyer, they may find it difficult to join these clubs that lease the land! Of course, they could organize and lease their own land, but that requires a organized group effort, not a gypsy hit and run thinking.
Yes, I'm upset that this has tarnished a fun hobby that's been off the radar, and now we're thought of as trouble makers that are now required to be registered and policed!

Never in past years, have I flown with a police car parked and watching us!

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Post by jhsa » Sun Feb 21, 2016 4:39 pm

ShowMaster wrote: This make the private leased land clubs the only legal place to fly. Many are complaining however that to join these clubs they must show proof of liability insurance, usually AMA at $50-75/yr, and pay the club initiation first time fees. Usually $250 first year, $65 after that. Also you must follow all the adopted safety and boundary rules. If not, you can be banned without any refund. This is all spelled out in a contract membership application you sign.
I agree with this. This was how we were in the hobby a few years ago before the uncontrolled mess started. Everybody insured and keeping to ALL safety rules from the club and from the hobby in general.
Good were the times where we got into the club to be taught how to fly, and how to safely handle our models, without putting ourselves and others in danger.
That is gone with the current situation of complete anarchy, due to the easy access of hobby material.

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Post by ShowMaster » Sun Feb 21, 2016 5:56 pm

Many private clubs are limiting their membership numbers. No new members unless one quits or is banned. I've payed into one for 35 years just to relax and fly in a controlled environment. No drinking, drugs, or fist fights allowed.
If you want to fly a new untested plane or teach a invited friend or family member, or new member, that all stay down for 10min and watch. Very relaxing! If they do allow drones, they are given the same courtesy of a 10-15 min flight in groups. Finally, all must pass a flying test to prove they can takeoff, fly, and land as to not in danger other persons. Also only 5 in the air at a time unless the safety officer approves more. Usually high flying glider planes and lower level fast ones can share more airspace.
Yes, many rules but not hard to deal with if you are a good pilot and stay in your airspace. BBQ parties, club activities for the whole family also is more common. You crash, many times everyone helps find your plane due to the vast area.
Ok, I've convinced myself that the $65 I paid renew my 2016 membership was with it.

It's the free park 14 acre field that's under the microscope of the parks, police, airport police, and local FAA rep. It'll be interesting to hear all the complaints at the town hall meeting, of why it should be shut down along with no parks flying at all!
I understand the local TV news crews may be there also? Probably will be as they like to air hate and discontent as the lead news story.
I'm glad I don't own a giant scale or turbine. No runways this long or free for 100 miles.
I do have an ok slow electric boat pond close by I should visit it ha ha.
I'm glad I enjoy building or modifying Rc gear as much as flying it. I can still have fun at the bench and spend 1 or 2 days a month flying at the private fields if it comes to that this year. I have to drive 25 miles but I diene the whole day there and hang with the flyers.

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Post by bob195558 » Mon Mar 28, 2016 5:34 pm

Hi,
FAA stands in the way of public safety.
Civilian Drones Search and Rescue: (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKMm_DZ ... gusV34sGEA).
FAA wants to band the public (The people) from RC Hobby flying at any cost.

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Post by bob195558 » Mon Mar 28, 2016 6:10 pm

The 1st FAA Prosecution of a Civilian Drone UAV: (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kV0HEzQ ... gusV34sGEA).

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Post by bob195558 » Tue Apr 19, 2016 8:30 pm

Video of a Drone Capture: (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgWlm5zrY4w)
Note: This is not a faa capture.

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Post by Bruneaux » Tue Apr 19, 2016 8:39 pm

I, personally, prefer the suppressed shotgun

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Re: FAA Unmanned Aircraft Systems Registration 2015

Post by Bruneaux » Wed Apr 20, 2016 4:56 am

Or, we could use passenger jets to ram them and knock them out of the the sky. Since people still don't get it.

http://www.today.com/video/drone-strike ... 8251203771

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This will be the end of real model aircraft :(
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Post by bob195558 » Wed Apr 20, 2016 1:31 pm

Those of us who view things from an engineering point of understanding, of how dose this work
and why did it work this way, have a better understanding to truth.

The "Today" news report and remember "Today" only said "could be" which is a big maybe could.
There was no damage to the large aircraft and so no proof of striking.

These large aircraft do and have been struck by manned small aircraft and have landed safely.
For the safety of large aircraft, they are built to take a strikes and keep flying safely from large birds and/or a flock of birds.

Manned small aircraft, one would think, should have a much higher possibility of being taken down by a DJT drone
then a large commercial passenger aircraft.

So the question has to be asked, why only large commercial passenger aircraft are being
used to alarm the low-information-people to that, our hobby should be band.

The over-hype is very damaging to our RC-flying-hobby so our hobby needs to be protected
just like Islamic Terrorism is being protected.

We need to fight for our right to practice our hobby.

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Post by jhsa » Wed Apr 20, 2016 3:18 pm

bob195558 wrote:
We need to fight for our right to practice our hobby.

Bob B.
Exactly, that is why drones have to stop flying in the same airspace as real aircraft. We have to fight against those who are putting other people in danger.
I just saw a video today of a guy going to 1200m high, right on the approach to runway 28 at Faro airport in Portugal. This is exactly where the airplanes pass when they come to land on rnw28 or taking off from rnw10.
I very politely commented on his video, and he replied saying that on that day the airplanes were comng to land from the other direction on rnw10. I replied again that they also take off from rnw10 and that puts his DJI Phantom on their path.. Still no answer.
Yes, a small drone can take down an airplane if hit it on sensitive parts. And there are not only passenger planes up there. if one of these things hit a small plane windscreen it will go right through it and your head if you are sitting inside..

Idiots must stop doing this or all model flying will be forbidden in the future.

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Re: FAA Unmanned Aircraft Systems Registration 2015

Post by jhsa » Wed Apr 20, 2016 3:26 pm

bob195558 wrote:
These large aircraft do and have been struck by manned small aircraft and have landed safely.
For the safety of large aircraft, they are built to take a strikes and keep flying safely from large birds and/or a flock of birds.
Ok, so that makes it ok to go fly our models where aircraft fly, as if it strikes it, the aircraft will get damaged but won't be brought down? Even if it was like this, who pays for the damage?

No, it is wrong and it must stop, even if model aircraft are made illegal..
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Post by Bruneaux » Wed Apr 20, 2016 3:53 pm

jhsa wrote:
bob195558 wrote:
We need to fight for our right to practice our hobby.

Bob B.
Exactly, that is why drones have to stop flying in the same airspace as real aircraft. We have to fight against those who are putting other people in danger.
I just saw a video today of a guy going to 1200m high, right on the approach to runway 28 at Faro airport in Portugal. This is exactly where the airplanes pass when they come to land on rnw28 or taking off from rnw10.
I very politely commented on his video, and he replied saying that on that day the airplanes were comng to land from the other direction on rnw10. I replied again that they also take off from rnw10 and that puts his DJI Phantom on their path.. Still no answer.
Yes, a small drone can take down an airplane if hit it on sensitive parts. And there are not only passenger planes up there. if one of these things hit a small plane windscreen it will go right through it and your head if you are sitting inside..

Idiots must stop doing this or all model flying will be forbidden in the future.

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Exactly the point, João.

It is ridiculous to defend those acts by saying that an airline can ingest birds (so the drones are safe?) and the aircraft DO NOT crash??!?!? God help us!

João beat me to the point of who is going to pay for repairing a jet engine after it ingests a drone? An what about the passengers that have their flight get canceled because the pilot has to call out "MAYDAY, MAYDAY, MAYDAY - lost an engine!" and return to the airport?
bob195558 wrote:Those of us who view things from an engineering point of understanding, of how dose this work
and why did it work this way, have a better understanding to truth.
Bob B.
And just because you think you know all about engineering does not mean that you have a better grip on "the truth". Very insulting.

The truth is that it is dangerous to be flying drones over 500", period. I can post at least 30 vidoes of people taking their DJI drones over 2000ft and a lot of then that go 5000ft. That is a MILE high! Stupid and unsafe!

I have now changes my opinion of the FAA's rules because of this banter. It hurts the hobby (especially for those of use that just fly regular RC airplanes) and I support the FAA's attempt to deal with the issue. The FAA's rules are ineffective, at best, but they had to drive a stake some where so that they can fine those that DO do STUPID things.

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Re: FAA Unmanned Aircraft Systems Registration 2015

Post by Bruneaux » Wed Apr 20, 2016 5:32 pm

A company that claims they can detect and control errant drones within a perimeter (airports).

Maybe that is the answer.

http://techcrunch.com/2016/04/20/skysaf ... ng-drones/

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Re: FAA Unmanned Aircraft Systems Registration 2015

Post by Bruneaux » Wed Apr 20, 2016 5:58 pm

This is just too funny! ROFL

https://player.vimeo.com/video/143780501

Drone drops like a rock! And it has app for your phone! Select and press the button. Drone drops.

I want one!

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Post by Kilrah » Thu Apr 21, 2016 3:47 am

That video looks as fake as the promo video for a crowdfunding campaign where the guys have no actual idea how to do it :D

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Post by bob195558 » Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:03 pm

It is confirmed the video is a fake. This is not a surprise.
This video is engineered to make people upset, alarmed
and which wants all RC model flying banded.
It dose manipulate peoples thinking as it is engineered to do so,
to install a negative view point toward any and all RC model flying.
We / you can not have trust in any news group's reporting today,
as the owners of these news group's are behind the scenes
are directing how and which information whether true or false
is to be broadcasted.

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Post by jhsa » Fri Apr 29, 2016 3:16 pm

Here in Germany, it looks like real aircraft can now fly as low as 500ft (someone please correct me if I'm wrong). That means model flying will be allowed only until 100 meters.
That will exclude all gliders, giant scale aircraft, jets, etc.
At my club there is a lot of giant scale models, glider towing activity. Also the field is certified for models over 25 kilos.
All that is going down the drain..

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FAA Unmanned Aircraft Systems Registration 2015

Post by ShowMaster » Sat Apr 30, 2016 10:42 pm

This is another happening locally now! Well deserved. This guy kept fire drop helicopters grounded last week near a friends house.
All this and the registration requirements, maybe requiring a Rc flying license soon. Just takes away more fun and freedoms.
As for the only field within 100 miles that can support giant scale and turbines (under 400ft), now the parks wants to allow 65000 persons a day for 3 days @ $300/per person, to use our field for parking. The actual event is close by. It will close our field for 26 days and is scheduled to happen every year but not this year. If it's successful, why not let other events do the same thing?
I've kept my $70/year up in two private clubs for many years to still enjoy flying .60 and smaller sized planes, gas, nitro, or electric.

Below is an example why we're also in such a situation in my opinion!
Look closely what's in the smoke!
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Post by bob195558 » Mon May 02, 2016 2:42 pm

Looks like it is a fake picture as viewing the size of homes to where the RC flying model is and it's size, looks to be incorrect.
The RC flying model would have to be very, very large flying RC model, fore it looks to be another news group fake reporting.
Think I have seen this same picture last year, I do not think its a real true picture.
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We need stop helping these anti-RC-model-flying-people and start to push back against all these negative reporting engineered to band our loved hobby.
The regulator's see and are reacting negatively to these very damaging anti-RC-model-flying reports.

Where or why are there no reporting of the good things of what RC-model-flying is doing, as the good is
very, very, very far greater good then the negative reporting of misrepresenting.
Where the list of the good things that our RC-model-flying hobby is doing ?
I encourage all of us who love this hobby, not to have an auto-view that the news reports are trustworthy.
Push back against this idea that this hobby needs to be band ! If we do not, it will be band.

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Post by Daedalus66 » Mon May 02, 2016 3:12 pm

It doesn't have to be fake. It looks to me as though it's really just a lot closer than the smoke. But that's not the point. What matters is that these things should not be flying anywhere near such a fire or other emergency (except under control of the authorities, for whom they might even be of assistance).

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Post by ShowMaster » Mon May 02, 2016 3:29 pm

It's not fake! My friend lives in the $$ hills and took this as it happened.
Why do drone flyers always think they're being picked on? Denial doesn't change the facts.
Look closely at the smoke!
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Post by ShowMaster » Mon May 02, 2016 3:52 pm

After rethinking the Fake remark, I think I'm offended that I'm accused of it!
It's real! I must ask, do "drone flyers" carry a bucket of sand with them to stick their heads in or just find some when needed?

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Post by Daedalus66 » Mon May 02, 2016 4:05 pm

Plus one!

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Post by bob195558 » Mon May 02, 2016 4:29 pm

I think you miss what is happening.

To address what is a concern, yes do not want RC model flying to be interfering
with emergence operations and flying in airport restricted air space.
There are already regulations for this.
No effort to stop this because the news reporting is what is wanted.
Increasing much more restrictive regulations on us who are properly practicing our RC flying (HOBBY) will kill the RC model flying hobby all together.

Stop and think! example: should all car driving be much more restrictive because it dose cause a lot of damage and kills a lot of people ever day of the year.
Should manned aircraft flying be much more restrictive or band all together because its dangerous and has lost of life ?
I believe and have not found any deaths from a RC model flying hobbyist who has cause a manned aircraft to crash and Yes could happen, but there is a lot more things in this world that do cause people being killed and no one reporting (complaining) about that or those things.

The attention or promotion of the over negative reporting will seem to justify a need to greatly restrict or band our RC model flying hobby.

With increased regulation will also increase cost for our RC model flying hobby,
which will cause a lot of us to give this hobby up which we are not the problem in the first place.
This is not right what is happening!

Please do take what I say personally as I respect your view point, but hope to cause more thinking about how
we are being manipulated into accepting increased restrictive regulation to our loved RC model flying hobby.

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Post by ShowMaster » Mon May 02, 2016 4:55 pm

The police are at our "drone area" at our field all the time now. Never in years have we ever had this attention. Now it can be a $1k fine for us all in my city. I'm sure this guy in the picture will get the city $1K or worse, the FAA $27K fine now in force.

I'm glad to see ticketing, maybe the bad trouble maker flyers will get a new hobby soon.
We good ones as you say, don't need this under the microscope watching!

How about this next worry for citizens and the FAA?
Especially when HK or Banggood starts selling the DIY kits

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Post by jhsa » Mon May 02, 2016 4:58 pm

So, according to your thinking the authorities should let a drone bring an aircraft down and kill people before they do something about it?
I think model flying should go back to what it was a few years ago. People must be in a club, with insurance, and learn the safety rules like we did before as very few seem to know them now. Yes, within the club we should have to pass an exam to prove that we can properly handle a model. Yes should there be penalties applied to those who don't keep to the safety rules. It should only be allowed to fly in places designated for model flying, example, the club fields.. FPV flying? Yes Of course, at the club field, and no more than say 500 meters away, and that is as long as don't fly over people and big roads. That is more than enough space for us to play..

Sorry, if it sounds restrictive but this is the only way I see for us to continue to enjoy our hobby safely.

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Post by ShowMaster » Mon May 02, 2016 5:18 pm

"No effort to stop this because the news reporting is what is wanted.
Increasing much more restrictive regulations on us who are properly practicing our RC flying (HOBBY) will kill the RC model flying hobby all together."
Working for TV network and doing news co stage I can tell you this. If it bleeds it leads!
They have to fill the many hours of news tv time. Movie and rap stars are easy prey as are war and terrorist stories. But... If they need fill, sadly a drone story is so easy to find and out in the air. You never see stories in "good AK47" or good Pit Bull owners. 30 min on terrorist activities, 2-3 min on the our military persons killed in action!
Never about good "Drone Flyers" doing good things.
Sadly, there's a constant source of negative press they can use to sell Toilet Paper and whitening tooth paste.
We just keep feeding it to them to use against us.
Yes, it could be our downfall to this hobby by those just passing through, doing the damage, leaving us with all these rules that will never go away.
One Rc flying anything, used in a real attack situation, and it'll be time to go back Ucontrol!
I see RC licensing in the near future. In this case, I hope I'm wrong.
Let's agree that we here are the good guys trying to do the good flying, and won't be on the 6:00 news.

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Re: FAA Unmanned Aircraft Systems Registration 2015

Post by ShowMaster » Mon May 02, 2016 5:27 pm

jhsa wrote:So, according to your thinking the authorities should let a drone bring an aircraft down and kill people before they do something about it?
I think model flying should go back to what it was a few years ago. People must be in a club, with insurance, and learn the safety rules like we did before as very few seem to know them now. Yes, within the club we should have to pass an exam to prove that we can properly handle a model. Yes should there be penalties applied to those who don't keep to the safety rules. It should only be allowed to fly in places designated for model flying, example, the club fields.. FPV flying? Yes Of course, at the club field, and no more than say 500 meters away, and that is as long as don't fly over people and big roads. That is more than enough space for us to play..

Sorry, if it sounds restrictive but this is the only way I see for us to continue to enjoy our hobby safely.

João
I agree, abuse it and lose it! Trial and conviction by our actions and the 6:00 news!
Btw, news gathering helped pay for my house, so of course if any news is negative I'll get more work.
As a Rc flyer, I'm concerned for its future as we've enjoyed it.
Every network party I go to now, it seems I'm asked about these " Rc drones' and how much "bad stuff" they can carry and how far?
I don't mention my RC hobby anymore. So sad to hide it, but it keeps the heat off.
I'm glad we're not part of the problem, correct!

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