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Re: FAA Unmanned Aircraft Systems Registration 2015

Post by Rob Thomson » Tue Apr 04, 2017 6:52 am

The issue is more that you did not have any frame of reference on which to make the judgement of the height and trajectory.

You essentially have a blue sky and a plane of x size to make am estimate on. Totally inaccurate.

Now.. Don't get me wrong here.

I personally believe that spotter less fpv should be allowed.

But.. And a big but.. I don't believe you should fly long range fpv. There are many more issues that can cause problems.

There is no reason why you can't stay within server hundred meters and below 60m. If you stay low.. Then the risks are extremely low.

To rationalise this. In Europe you cannot fly a kite with a line length of greater than around 60m without permission. Why?

Because full size traffic should quite simply not be there!

With this in mind.. Somebody flying an fpv racing quad at less than 60m and within 200m of themselves is no more risky than a gain of cricket. Or archery etc etc. Anything where an object moves through space has a risk. We just weigh up the risk. Mini quads are no more or less risky. Just apply common sense.

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Re: FAA Unmanned Aircraft Systems Registration 2015

Post by jhsa » Tue Apr 04, 2017 7:13 am

See, we absolutely agree then, (except for having someone near you helping you see what you don't). Keep within your line of sight and low, and should there not be a problem.
About the spotter, any help you can get should be welcome, that is how it works in aviation.. So, yes, you shouldn't have to be told you need a spotter. You should be the first to be responsible to kindly ask someone to watch for possible collision threats. That is common sense.
Talking about common sense, unfortunately not everyone knows, or want to know what that is. Hence the need for regulation, and the ones who suffer with that are the people like you and me that want to enjoy our hobby safely..

You may say (and it was already said), but people that don't care won't stick to the rules anyway and will continue to do what they do. So why having rules anyway? Why regulating?
The answer to that is very simple. Because if there are no rules, there is no way to punish those who do s**t. If there are rules, they can be punished when they are caught, hopefully before they kill someone.

Normal model flying also has safety rules. Although many of us do not learn them anymore, which is bad.. Very bad..
I remember a few years ago, we needed to be in a club where we had to learn the safety rules before we were allowed to fly our models alone. Today there is complete anarchy and anyone can get a nitro powered helicopter for example, and go fly it in a park full of people.. People just have no idea how dangerous that can be. And the worst of all, people just don't care, as long as their a** is enjoying itself. That is what makes me angry.. :(

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Re: FAA Unmanned Aircraft Systems Registration 2015

Post by Rob Thomson » Tue Apr 04, 2017 7:44 am

It's all about risk.

Check this video.

https://youtu.be/b3IV8GTFdgA

Is it risky?

Consider that it is flown with a quad that weighs a massive 40g with battery.

It uses low power brushed motors. They do not have any torque on them and a blade of grass stops them at full speed.

So what is more risky?

Flying these quad in the park? Or chucking around a cricket ball?

Real problem is that you have allot of idiots out there who don't have basic common sense.

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Re: FAA Unmanned Aircraft Systems Registration 2015

Post by jhsa » Tue Apr 04, 2017 7:51 am

Rob Thomson wrote:
Tue Apr 04, 2017 7:44 am


Real problem is that you have allot of idiots out there who don't have basic common sense.
Exactly Rob :( And that is why we need regulation unfortunately. And that regulation would have to be fair to the people that do things right. But that is very difficult to achieve. :(
The thing is, if in doubt, and in any case, people's safety will have to prevail always.. That means the same rules might apply to smaller or bigger models or drones.
But I think the law already takes that in consideration?

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Re: FAA Unmanned Aircraft Systems Registration 2015

Post by bob195558 » Fri Apr 07, 2017 5:24 pm

Email from: Federal Aviation Administration April 7, 2017

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The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) has established airspace restrictions over 133 military facilities to address national security concerns about unauthorized drone operations. The specific restricted locations are detailed in a Notice to Airmen (NOTAM) – UAS NOTAM FDC 7/7137, and may be viewed online via an interactive map here.

The Agency is using its existing authority under Title 14 of the Code of Federal Regulations (14 CFR) § 99.7 – Special Security Instructions – to establish these restrictions. The relief provided under § 99.7 is limited to requests from the Department of Defense and U.S. federal security and intelligence agencies based on national security interests.

U.S. military facilities are considered “sensitive” as they are vital to the nation’s security. The FAA and the Department of Defense have agreed to restrict drone flights up to 400 feet within the facility’s lateral boundaries. There are only a few exceptions that permit drone flights within these restrictions, and they must be coordinated with the individual facility and/or the FAA. The restrictions are effective on April 14, 2017.

Operators who violate the airspace restrictions may be subject to enforcement action, including potential civil penalties and criminal charges.

For more information about these restrictions, including frequently asked questions, please visit the FAA’s UAS website.
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Re: FAA Unmanned Aircraft Systems Registration 2015

Post by bob195558 » Tue May 09, 2017 1:55 pm

Hi,
Bruce at "xjet", has a very good commentary (observations) that is very down to earth and a lot of common sense.
Also an update from Bruce about his "Sense and Avoid System" for drones that will make flying safer.

Quick Vlog #7:
Drone Fliers Arrested
Do DJI drones Snitch on there owners ?
Study that says drones are Safe !
Update on the Sense and Avoid System
Youtube: (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9RDKDW6w-o)

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Re: FAA Unmanned Aircraft Systems Registration 2015

Post by jhsa » Tue May 09, 2017 3:14 pm

I stopped watching Bruce's videos a while ago since he started reviewing mostly drone and FPV stuff.
I think only lately he did a little Review about a model aircraft.
Also, his review of the 9XR-PRO radio a couple years ago was a total disaster, and he wasn't being impartial, as a reviewer should be. I'm still waiting for the second part of the review he said he would do.
As far as I'm concerned, Bruce's opinion cannot be trusted as far as normal model flying is concerned.. But this is only my opinion.. :)

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Re: FAA Unmanned Aircraft Systems Registration 2015

Post by bob195558 » Tue May 09, 2017 5:50 pm

Off Subject:
Hi João,
Bruce has been doing a fix-wing build video once a week for the past several months.
Yes, he has said sometimes he was going to follow-ups reviews and never seem to be able get back to them.

And yes, you like the 9XR-Pro, which the best thing about it is the Sky Main Board in it.
I do not understand why Turnigy did not come out with a "9X-Pro Radio" with a Sky Board in it
and fix all the problems of bad gimbals and wiring in it.
It seems brainless to me to make a whole new radio case when the 9x radio case is mostly a superb RC radio case.

Bruce dose very good videos about technical information for our hobby.
Like "The Fresnel Zone Explained": (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCVd3QGQhKU).
RC Basics: How to find and hook a thermal: (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRaqaydTCbo&t=3s).
Why use multi-bladed props?: (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAW7sBSeYj0).
Fixed Wing Friday, S800 Sky Shadow FPV wing: (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_vJXsjxg24&t=24s).

Bruce makes a video and express his opinion about a subject that he chooses.
And if I was to take a few words and jump to an opinion without listening to all of what Bruce is saying,
I would not have a correct understanding to the point which he is making.
Bruce, on his own has, fought against very bad RC regulations which is killing our hobby.
There is not many people out there who are able to stand up for our RC hobby (all RC hobbyist).

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Re: FAA Unmanned Aircraft Systems Registration 2015

Post by jhsa » Tue May 09, 2017 6:29 pm

bob195558 wrote:
Tue May 09, 2017 5:50 pm
Off Subject:
Hi João,
Bruce has been doing a fix-wing build video once a week for the past several months.
Well That probably happened AFTER I stopped watching his channel because of the lack of real model flying videos and reviews and the 100% of videos about drones and FPV.

And yes, you like the 9XR-Pro, which the best thing about it is the Sky Main Board in it.
I do not understand why Turnigy did not come out with a "9X-Pro Radio" with a Sky Board in it
It is not a matter of me liking it or not. I know most of the flaws of the 9XR-PRO radio as I was one of the beta testers of the radio, but Bruce wasn't being fair on his video. He didn't even bother about having a better look at it..
By the way, i don't understand your comment, because the 9XR-PRO DOES HAVE a skyboard inside, and the 9XR-PRO is actually a Turnigy radio. Turnigy 9XR-PRO..
and fix all the problems of bad gimbals and wiring in it.
I agree that the gimbals are not the best, and that was one of the things the beta testers asked HK to change, but they declined. Their loss.. I don't see any/many problems with the wiring.
It seems brainless to me to make a whole new radio case when the 9x radio case is mostly a superb RC radio case.
Why? They wanted to make a different radio, why not? That case actually fits my hands very well. I was surprised.. Not the best looking thing (it looks like an handbag :) ), but I gotta say, quite comfortable to hold while flying a model with it.
Bruce dose very good videos about technical information for our hobby.
He did, and I'm sure he still does. I just got enough of only having FPV related stuff to watch..

Bruce, on his own has, fought against very bad RC regulations which is killing our hobby.
Bruce, on his own has also said a lot of nonsense in my opinion.. :)
There is not many people out there who are able to stand up for our RC hobby (all RC hobbyist).
Oh yes there are many people. One example is the German Model Flying Association. The politicians wanted to impose loads of rules here. In other words, I wouldn't be able to fly my 62CC petrol powered glider tow plane, and all the guys that own big model gliders wouldn't be able to fly them due to the 100 meter restriction the politicians wanted to impose. Those DMFV guys went there, and only came out with a good agreement.
So, for example now, all model flying in a club's field is exactly the same as before, with a few little changes..

It is not talking about how bad the law makers are that you are going to change something, it is going there, speak to them and show them what model flying is, and explain what you have been doing to keep it safe.. I take my hat to those guys. Everybody is able to speak, but unfortunately, only a few are able to actually change something..

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Re: FAA Unmanned Aircraft Systems Registration 2015

Post by bob195558 » Tue May 09, 2017 8:43 pm

jhsa wrote:
Tue May 09, 2017 6:29 pm
bob195558 wrote:
Tue May 09, 2017 5:50 pm
Off Subject:
Hi João,
I do not understand why Turnigy did not come out with a "9X-Pro Radio" with a Sky Board in it.
By the way, I don't understand your comment, because the 9XR-PRO DOES HAVE a skyboard inside,
and the 9XR-PRO is actually a Turnigy radio. Turnigy 9XR-PRO..
João
I think you missed that "9X-Pro Radio" is meaning use a full size 9x radio case
and maybe could change the front half case to something like what FrSky did with the Taranis case.
jhsa wrote:
Tue May 09, 2017 6:29 pm
bob195558 wrote:
Tue May 09, 2017 5:50 pm
Off Subject:
Hi João,
and fix all the problems of bad gimbals and wiring in it.
I don't see any/many problems with the wiring.
João
With the wiring, I am thinking of some of the circuitry in the 9x needed to be corrected
and have some of the mods that we have done and the wire colors need to be standard.
Not using red wires for - ground and black or yellow wires for + voltages.

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Re: FAA Unmanned Aircraft Systems Registration 2015

Post by jhsa » Tue May 09, 2017 9:03 pm

Ahh, no I didn't see 9X-PRO radio. It looked like a typo..
Yes, on the 9x the wiring is all over the place. I have to agree with that..
But if you install an ar9x board in the 9x, you have more or less that, and cheap..

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Re:The UNLAWFUL FAA REGISTRATIONS are now VOIDED ! (FAA Unmanned Aircraft Systems Registration 2015)

Post by bob195558 » Fri May 19, 2017 8:22 pm

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The UNLAWFUL FAA REGISTRATIONS are now VOIDED !
Hi every one in the United States of America,

News about the unlawful FAA Unmanned Aircraft Systems Registration 2015, Federal Appeals Court:
The FAA's Registration Rule Violates Section 336, a case filed on March 14th, 2017, challenging the FAA's Small Unmanned Aircraft Registration.

John A. Taylor beats the FAA in Federal Appeals Court
and voids the FAA registration for drones and model aircraft.


See here for more information (Article By Matt Gunn | Today, 12:11 PM): (https://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthr ... 2019%20FAA).

Today, the Federal Appeals Court of the District of Columbia rules that drone and hobby model aircraft registration did violate
the FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012 (section 336), and rendered it void.
This is a huge victory for hobby model aircraft pilots that were forced to comply with FAA regulations or face stiff penalties.
Is this the end of this dark chapter in model aviation?
One would hope, but given the FAA propensity of fighting hobby model aircraft and their pilots,
the Federal Aviation Administration may retaliate in some manner; let's hope that doesn't happen.
But for now, join us in celebrating a David versus Goliath-style victory for model aviation!

"In short, the 2012 FAA Modernization and Reform Act provides that the FAA
“may not promulgate any rule or regulation regarding a model aircraft,”
yet the FAA’s 2015 Registration Rule is a “rule or regulation regarding a model aircraft.”
Statutory interpretation does not get much simpler.
The Registration Rule is unlawful as applied to model aircraft."

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